America's obsession with guns

[Brian37]

That reminds me. My NRA membership is about to expire. Time to renew.

Thanks Brian.

Donate all you want, the NRA does not represent even the majority of gun owners in any case. I am sure the donations to Moms Demand Action, Every  Town For Gun Safety , Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Newtown Action get donations too. Not going to prevent them or me from voting too.

You go Snack Patriot.

[brewer]

This sales pitch just came across in an email from a site I but from:

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Send me your credit card numbers. I'd hate to disappoint them.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think you understand?  The NSSF isn't the NRA.  The NSSF is the corporate lobby that exists to pursue (and shield) the interests of firearm manufacturers.  The NRA is engaged in other business™.  

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Buddy, lol...the NRA -does- lobby, but it's not the one that you're talking about when you talk about corporate lobbies protecting manufacturers.   Another lobby does that, quietly.  The NSSF.  They're far more effective at that task due to their relative anonymity, whereas the high profile nature of NRA efforts and allegiance point to the actual service that -it- provides.

You agree they do lobby. AND, BOTH are not designed to promote gun safety, BOTH are heat shields for the industry.

-again, that's actually the aim of the NSSF, not the NRA.  

So all you are pointing out is simply a lesser known entity that is still part of a protection racket. 

I think it's important to know what you're actually bitching about, if you're gonna bitch.  It makes the bitching relevant.  Don't you think?

The NRA receives donations from the makers, do they not?

OFC.

The NRA courts politicians do they not?

No, the NRA -makes- politicians, the NSSF courts them.  The NRA is a political incubator and ideological litmus test.  A manufacturer of political capital.  The NSSF goes out there and grabs whatever politician is for sale, like all corporate lobbies, they "donate" across the political aisle.  The concerns of gun owners are rarely the pressing concerns of gun manufacturers.  The misery that the corporate gun lobby in the US causes...doesn't really materialize in the US, it materializes overseas, in conflict zones..actual, as opposed to imaginary free-for-alls.  

<----If I am correct then nothing in your post changes anything. It simply is being pedantic on your part.

So you understand, then, why bitching about populist party politics and bitching about corporate lobbying aren't the same thing? Just like bitching about americas "gun epidemic" and bitching about americas gun problem aren;t the same thing? What are the chances, in your opinion, that you come to some effective solution regarding one...by constantly confusing it for the other?

[Jeanne]

All you do is play games with me. You keep insisting that I have a different position about things and you persist on with your straw man arguments. I just wanted you to see how it felt.

No, you behave like a brat in the same manor as a right wing Christian when you tell them there is no such thing as a magic baby born without a second set of DNA.

You put value over an object, you have been brainwashed into thinking every use of a firearm will have a happy ending. And you also ignore a fellow firearm owner on top of that. 

So you are not just pissing me off. Now you need to grow up and stop falsely playing victim.

Brian, just because we do not agree with your assessment of your own position, does not mean we are brainwashed brats.  You might not actually say that you want to ban all guns, but you want someone in authority to pick and choose which ones and how many and what magazine capacity we are allowed to keep locked up at all times lest we shoot one of our children or each other or some innocent bystander.

You insist that some "higher power" must be allowed to choose for us, who own firearms.  

If you agree with that "higher power" then you consider yourself to be in the right in all your declarations.  If you disagree, then you consider that everything bad that happens with a gun is the fault of the other and any reasoning otherwise is  ignorant and base and uninformed.

I am a fellow gun-owner and I agree more with KUSA than with GS.  The arguments against my reasoning by fellow gun-owners do little to sway me, because as an adult I am allowed to consider all things and come to my own conclusion.  For my family the conclusion is that we will exercise our right to bear arms as fully as able in the state of Maryland...and that is not far, as it is a Progressive State with many regulations.  

To repeat a recent post; we have a crime problem, not a gun injury/death problem.  Prosecute to the fullest extent crimes committed using a gun and maybe that will go down.  Just remember that the crime problem that coincides with the gun injury/death statistic is occurring in cities long-held by Progressive Democrats...so, why can't they get a handle on the situation and only seem to make it worse every year?

-Jeanne

[Edwardo Piet]

All you do is play games with me. You keep insisting that I have a different position about things and you persist on with your straw man arguments. I just wanted you to see how it felt.

And lying is good if both sides do it? You are willing to lower yourself if nobody wants to come up to your level? How sad.

Lying is necessarily intentional... so even if both of them have misrepped each other... KUSA is the only one we know for sure has done it intentionally since he admitted it. So KUSA is the only one we know is a liar.

Admitted liars go on my ignore list. I don't encounter admitted liars very often. Normally liars lie about not lying... but I can never be sure they're truly a liar if they never admit it .... despite the fact the liars who don't admit lying are the worse ones... I can never really be sure if they don't admit it.

The liars who admit lying are at least honest about lying so they are not as bad... but they ARE DEFINITELY liars... and go on my ignore list.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One can also lie by withholding information.

"Do you know where your brother is?"

(Last saw him floating down the river screaming for help. Not sure where he is now.)

"No."

[Brian37]

No, you behave like a brat in the same manor as a right wing Christian when you tell them there is no such thing as a magic baby born without a second set of DNA.

You put value over an object, you have been brainwashed into thinking every use of a firearm will have a happy ending. And you also ignore a fellow firearm owner on top of that. 

So you are not just pissing me off. Now you need to grow up and stop falsely playing victim.

Brian, just because we do not agree with your assessment of your own position, does not mean we are brainwashed brats.  You might not actually say that you want to ban all guns, but you want someone in authority to pick and choose which ones and how many and what magazine capacity we are allowed to keep locked up at all times lest we shoot one of our children or each other or some innocent bystander.

You insist that some "higher power" must be allowed to choose for us, who own firearms.  

If you agree with that "higher power" then you consider yourself to be in the right in all your declarations.  If you disagree, then you consider that everything bad that happens with a gun is the fault of the other and any reasoning otherwise is  ignorant and base and uninformed.

I am a fellow gun-owner and I agree more with KUSA than with GS.  The arguments against my reasoning by fellow gun-owners do little to sway me, because as an adult I am allowed to consider all things and come to my own conclusion.  For my family the conclusion is that we will exercise our right to bear arms as fully as able in the state of Maryland...and that is not far, as it is a Progressive State with many regulations.  

To repeat a recent post; we have a crime problem, not a gun injury/death problem.  Prosecute to the fullest extent crimes committed using a gun and maybe that will go down.  Just remember that the crime problem that coincides with the gun injury/death statistic is occurring in cities long-held by Progressive Democrats...so, why can't they get a handle on the situation and only seem to make it worse every year?

-Jeanne

Yea, the far right does so well on firearm issues to the tune of 98 firearm deaths per day on average. 

Get back to me when that number is closer to 0. But don't blow smoke up my ass trying to claim we are on the right track if we simply listen to the far right.

[Jeanne]

Perhaps you should define "far-right" for me and just how it has any control over gun deaths in decades old Democrat-held cities?

I have no intention of getting that close to you.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Perhaps you should define "far-right" for me and just how it has any control over gun deaths in decades old Democrat-held cities?

I have no intention of getting that close to you.

Neo-nazis, Kluxxers, "militias", Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, that's the tip of the far right iceberg. 

Insert quibbling here.

[Jeanne]

Wow...that is a bunch of very diverse groups and people. And....you are so uninformed.

But...wait, how do they have any control over the gun deaths in decades old Democrat-held cities? Excepting the KKK, which was the military arm of the Democrat Party. But...how do they alter the gun death rate so that it remains high?