Neanderthals interbred with non African populations

[downbeatplumb]

Stop this talk your making me itchy.

[krazedkat]

But were their offspring fertile? Is that something we can find out?

We are the subsequent offspring, so yes.

[BloodyHeretic]

The fact that neanderthals effected ritualized burials of their dead, complete with what appear to be grave goods, suggests an ability to communicate complex culturally based world views demanding far more than a two year old's vocabulary.

Agreed. I don't think this fixation of death was really a good thing though. Thoughts of an afterlife an all that jazz.

[Minimalist]

But if we assume Neanderthal to have been a single species with gene flow throughout its range,

I'm not prepared to make that assumption, though. Clearly, HNS and HSS did interbreed which suggests that by most definitions of the term they were not separate "species." So what to call them?

An overly interbred tribe perhaps?

[Anomalocaris]

The capacity to interbreed and produce fertile offspring is not enough to make two group a single species. Their behavioral pattern must be such that if placed in contact, they would naturally maintain a steady exchange of genes.

[Minimalist]

More on the subject:

http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics...10718.html

If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. Discovery News has been reporting on human/Neanderthal interbreeding for some time now, so this latest research confirms earlier findings.

Damian Labuda of the University of Montreal's Department of Pediatrics and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center conducted the study with his colleagues. They determined some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals, but only in people of non-African heritage.

Wait till the Creationists find out they are part Neanderthal. They'll be begging for the old days when they thought they were part dirt.


As for "Species" again, I didn't write the definition.

spe·cies
   [spee-sheez, -seez] Show IPA noun, plural -cies, adjective
–noun
1.
a class of individuals having some common characteristics or qualities; distinct sort or kind.
2.
Biology . the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
3.
Logic .
a.one of the classes of things included with other classes in a genus.
b.the set of things within one of these classes.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, Obviously HNS was not the man mentioned in Genesis. HSS is god's chosen creation, superior to all else in creation and gifted with a soul. HNS has no such soul, and since it would seem that gingers are genetic leftovers...it would follow that they are, in fact, soulless.

[Minimalist]

Obviously HNS was not the man mentioned in Genesis.

I don't know about that. If you were to listen to the creationist asswipes ( and why would you ever do that?) you'd see that their garden of "eden" is right in HNS territory....where as Africa is where all those cursed Ham sandwiches come from.

[Anomalocaris]

As for "Species" again, I didn't write the definition.

spe·cies
   [spee-sheez, -seez] Show IPA noun, plural -cies, adjective
–noun
1.
a class of individuals having some common characteristics or qualities; distinct sort or kind.
2.
Biology . the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.
3.
Logic .
a.one of the classes of things included with other classes in a genus.
b.the set of things within one of these classes.

Able to reproduce means morn than could reproduce only under rare and unusually circumstances even if placed together. If require enough behavioral compatibility to do so with some frequency when possible. Behavioral compatibility is part of reproductive compatibility.

[Justtristo]

Well, Obviously HNS was not the man mentioned in Genesis. HSS is god's chosen creation, superior to all else in creation and gifted with a soul. HNS has no such soul, and since it would seem that gingers are genetic leftovers...it would follow that they are, in fact, soulless.

I do actually bother to read the Young Earth Creationist "scientific literature" and they assume that HNS, along with Homo Erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo floresiensis etc are different sub-species of HSS.

Anyway breeding between different (however closely related) species producing fertile offspring is more common than a lot of people realize.