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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 4:14 pm
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I am explaining to you that every observation we have made about life and death leads us to the conlusion that there is no "experience of death". The thing which you call the "self" or mistakenly refer to as the "soul" that has "experiences" is a product of a biological machine. When that biological machine cease to function, you will be unable to experience anything. You will not have use of any of your senses (because they depend on the functions of this machine), and you are no longer producing thought (another function of this machine). You are not "nothing" materially, you have simply ceased functioning, what is so hard to understand about this?
Positing all manner of psychopomps to fill the backdrop on an eternal morality play, then casually load it on the back of our fear of death is absurd. It isn't what we don't know about death that makes an afterlife possible, it is what we do know about death that makes it impossible.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Quote:Things people have no control over scare them
One of the more reasonable thoughts you ever had, G-C, but you break it off too soon. The conclusion to the thought should be:
"so they invent fairy tales of an afterlife to believe in."
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm
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(July 29, 2011 at 1:43 am)Rhythm Wrote: By the by CRod, since my interesting thoughts are why you're here, here's something right from the presses:
You say god, I say show me, you make an argument about free will. It's this ridiculous house of cards scenario. It's infuriating (intellectually speaking). "Show me" is legitimate, it is an honest response. Why bring in another assumption that you've made, an assumption in which the existence of god is still the premise, and a further complication, the christian concept of free will, is added? Show that these things are actually real before you leverage them against an objection. I can not show you the God you want to know, i can only tell you what has been testified about him. This is real, the testimony, but it is whether you are given the truth or not. We reason with it because we are human. You have choice, what difference does it make if God knows what your gonna do; if out of your heart you do not care for him than why are you angry. If you do not want him and he gives you not him is that good because your getting what your want or do you want him? Should he be this "thing" you wish to know or justify yourself with or should you wish to justify him? Word Salad?or flawed understanding?
(July 31, 2011 at 4:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I am explaining to you that every observation we have made about life and death leads us to the conlusion that there is no "experience of death". The thing which you call the "self" or mistakenly refer to as the "soul" that has "experiences" is a product of a biological machine. When that biological machine cease to function, you will be unable to experience anything. You will not have use of any of your senses (because they depend on the functions of this machine), and you are no longer producing thought (another function of this machine). You are not "nothing" materially, you have simply ceased functioning, what is so hard to understand about this?
Positing all manner of psychopomps to fill the backdrop on an eternal morality play, then casually load it on the back of our fear of death is absurd. It isn't what we don't know about death that makes an afterlife possible, it is what we do know about death that makes it impossible.
Is what you say true, incontrovertible? i just cant accept that because all you did was draw a conclusion but have not experienced it. But what is the moment of death, like that is the mystery, is it or do you know what it is like?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 5:33 pm
There is no area of human knowledge that isn't subject to review, if you have evidence, lets see it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 6:50 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 5:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There is no area of human knowledge that isn't subject to review, if you have evidence, lets see it. I said i didnt, i had testimony. Bible 
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 6:53 pm
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Right, so, you're arguing for the existence of a non-existent thing. Like my three year old arguing with me over whether a purple bird is on the windowsill this very moment, and whether this purple bird had anything to do with the juice spilled on the carpet.
How do you think I feel when my daughter, whom I love, does this? Now imagine when I have to deal with this from an adult (or at least someone old enough to write). You don't even have to imagine, I'll just tell you, because that's how I am, I like to share.
It's fucking infuriating.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 7:24 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 6:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right, so, you're arguing for the existence of a non-existent thing. Like my three year old arguing with me over whether a purple bird is on the windowsill this very moment, and whether this purple bird had anything to do with the juice spilled on the carpet.
How do you think I feel when my daughter, whom I love, does this? Now imagine when I have to deal with this from an adult (or at least someone old enough to write). You don't even have to imagine, I'll just tell you, because that's how I am, I like to share.
It's fucking infuriating. The purple bird was told to you and you dismissed it. A book told you about a God and a choice and you dismissed it. Maybe im grasping at the reasoning of importance and understanding. But maybe im just establishing an against ignorance plea for said God and, or purple bird. I just think this place is full of intellectuals and totally different viewpoint, i wish to learn, to reason and to discover.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 7:26 pm
That purple bird is much more important than the imaginary sky wizard.
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 7:32 pm
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(July 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm)C Rod Wrote: I can not show you the God you want to know, i can only tell you what has been testified about him. This is real, the testimony, but it is whether you are given the truth or not. We reason with it because we are human. You have choice, what difference does it make if God knows what your gonna do; if out of your heart you do not care for him than why are you angry. If you do not want him and he gives you not him is that good because your getting what your want or do you want him? Should he be this "thing" you wish to know or justify yourself with or should you wish to justify him? Word Salad?or flawed understanding?
Just wow..............I'm speechless. You go ahead and keep saying you're here to learn or reason, or discover, if thats what gets you through......wow.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
July 31, 2011 at 8:47 pm
(July 31, 2011 at 7:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm)C Rod Wrote: I can not show you the God you want to know, i can only tell you what has been testified about him. This is real, the testimony, but it is whether you are given the truth or not. We reason with it because we are human. You have choice, what difference does it make if God knows what your gonna do; if out of your heart you do not care for him than why are you angry. If you do not want him and he gives you not him is that good because your getting what your want or do you want him? Should he be this "thing" you wish to know or justify yourself with or should you wish to justify him? Word Salad?or flawed understanding?
Just wow..............I'm speechless. You go ahead and keep saying you're here to learn or reason, or discover, if thats what gets you through......wow.
Left them speechless, alright! 
"Its not what your looking at that matters, its what you see." -Henry David Thoreau
♪Oh, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get Lost in my mind Lost in my Mind Yes, I get lost in my mind Lost, I get lost I get lost I get lost Oh, I get♪ -The Head and the Heart
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