Not This Year, You WLB!

[Minimalist]

You do not seem to understand how many stupid people there are in this country.  This strikes me as odd as you voted for the Orange Cunt yourself.

Can't argue any of the above statements, but the ACA doesn't cover the issue of affordability at all. The cost of the ACA will continue to get higher as long as the Care portion remains astronomically high and people have only a single option in there area for an insurance company they are fined for not paying. The argument is really about the surface issue. On the other hand; if people started talking about the root cause, it would be damn hard for anyone to argue. Any one.

Who could honestly disagree with or even argue... "$300 for a band aid is BULLSHIT!!! $1,200 for a catheter administer while I'm unconscious and can't agree to is BULLSHIT!!! This is a clear sign of corporate entrapment." That's a tough argument for anyone to verbalize against anyone else.

I think if any side changed their argument form "Pay for my shit" (which right or wrong IS how the opposing side hears it) to "Stop keeping us as the most expensive medical provider in the word" a lot more people would get on board with that argument and become a lot more agreeable to the idea of a healthcare system like we see in other countries.

I'll give you some credit here.  But the individual mandate was a main feature of Romney's Massachusetts Plan and even he did not invent it.  He got the idea from the 1993 Republican Health Care Plan brought by Sen. John Chafee.  Thus we see the GOP fine with the concept of individual mandates as long as it was not a Democrat proposing it.  I find it impossible to take the Republicunts seriously as a result of that.  They are obstructionist shits.

[SteelCurtain]

Not to mention, the reason for the price of drugs and hospital services is not corporate greed alone. The inflated cost is largely a result of the fact that only 25% or so of the bills they send to people get paid, because people don't have insurance that covers it or just don't have insurance at all. People need health services whether they're homeless or rich, and if you have to have shitty credit to be alive, the choice is pretty easy.

[vorlon13]

Medica (only remaining ACA in NE and IA) has announced premium increases for 2018 of 40-50%, for folks not changing their plan. I don't know how this affects me as I have BCBS this year and will have Medica next year. I don't know yet what plans are available (another month or 2 to find out) and what the rates are. Considering the 'nickel' and 'diming' I've seen this year compared to last, for copays and deductibles, I'm not thrilled about more of that, but a 40-50% increase for me would be pushing annual premium to not far short of $20,000. For a family straining to pay $20,000 for coverage this year looking at $28,000 to $30,000 next year I'm thinking is going to be a deal breaker for quite a few of them. We're not seeing commensurate rises in commodity prices, so something has to give.

As for me, 40% annual increases are concerning if they don't start easing off. Haven't done the math, but this years first half property/drainage taxes (yes, I have to pay for the 'privilege' of having rain water flowing downhill off my farm) were higher than last year. Considering the number of county and school employees covered for their health insurance premiums, I can see the logic of increasing the tax rate as all health rates seem to be soaring, but keep in mind, it is stinging pretty bad paying my own (and realize my farm operation is currently supporting 5 people) and getting socked for increases for other peopletoo is hitting me a little funny. My increase in premium comes right out of my wages, maybe the county supervisors and school board need to revisit how they are parsing out increases ??

Also, received a bid for just re-painting the roof on one farm building and did a little pencil pushing regarding tax on that building, insurance on that building, and it's value to the farm operation. And the conclusion is inescapable: it is done.

I'm emptying the building (it's a warehouse of sort for lesser used equipment, tools, supplies and heirloomy things) of it's contents and will knock it down with the loader and remove the foundations with the backhoe. Hate taking out buildings older than me, it's my connection to the history of this place. Also, I remember grandpa telling me about building it. Before the storage building, it was going to be a granary. The change being made after the foundations were emplaced so I'm sure there is a huge amount of concrete to remove. Maybe more. My uncles built it 'after the war' and they were known for over engineering things. The foundations beneath the old corncrib went down 7 feet, I'm thinking 5 for this building, maybe more.

Found a big bag of bentonite, and all the doors replaced in the house during the '68 remodel. I think I can let them go now . . .

[Amarok]

I think if any side changed their argument form "Pay for my shit" (which right or wrong IS how the opposing side hears it) to "Stop keeping us as the most expensive medical provider in the word" a lot more people would get on board with that argument and become a lot more agreeable to the idea of a healthcare system like we see in other countries.

Retard right wing fuckwits will twist any notion of social programs no matter how  benevolent as " pay  for my shit" because they hate social programs period . (unless it's welfare for the rich)