Enlightened rants...

[LastPoet]

I believe MK is only posting because he gets an audience. could we try something? not answering further to him. he would not last a week.

[WinterHold]

I think that the gender-based differences are fairly minimal, and pertain only to things which are impossible for the other gender to perform.  A man cannot incubate a baby, and there is a limit to how much the average woman can lift over her head with her arms (but using her legs she may be able to lift more than a man of similar body weight).  That's it.  Everything else is up for grabs, IMO, and no one should be obligated to play a role that he or she does not want.

I disagree on this one; having a list of biological differences between human male and human females; such as pregnancy, these differences led to a very different evolution for both genders.

We share many things because we are the same creature in terms of specie. The Quran cites many verses about this:

Sura 3, The Quran:
( 195 )   And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward."

We are of one another; but each has different traits. Physically at least; and the physical does affect the psychological to great degrees.

Sura 4, The Quran:
( 1 )   O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.

We are of the same origin; I think the "one original soul" combine both genetics of a male and a female? IDK but the complete human is that one original soul; we are nothing but the spawn of that soul, that God created its mate from it, and went on to disperse lots of males and females. Our specie.

I think our origin as humans differs a lot from the sexist Biblical image that was drawn with respect to ignorance as a key.

[The Grand Nudger]

Watching a muslim comment on biblical sexism will never not be funny.

I guess that's just part of the quran that you think was bullshit, eh?

[Edwardo Piet]

I believe MK is only posting because he gets an audience. could we try something? not answering further to him. he would not last a week.

This is a very clever idea Lastpoet!

[LastPoet]

I believe MK is only posting because he gets an audience. could we try something? not answering further to him. he would not last a week.

This is a very clever idea Lastpoet!

I have said the same about little rick, astonished and all the trolls that just surf the line of the rules. what is the point of furthering any discussion with people that just want to hear themselves speak, or in the case of the forum, read what they wrote?

No matter how many rules can be added to a forum, when someone just spouts gibberish and its being replied to, a moderator can't do much. It's the kind of discipline needed, or the standarts of quality for the forum, that needs to be upholded by the community. I like to think we are a bit better than 4chan. And this sword cuts both ways.

[WinterHold]

Watching a muslim comment on biblical sexism will never not be funny.

I guess that's just part of the quran that you think was bullshit, eh?

If the source (Quran itself) is saying that men and women are of "one another"; then how's comparing this to sexist verses in the Bible; for example:

Bible:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

or

Bible:
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

...

Sura 3, The Quran:
( 195 )   And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward."


So...

Comparing both; Islam is like a 5 star hotel to women. No wonder so many Christian societies advocated the religion before war was even an option.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hmn, how much is the testimony of a woman worth?  

Speaking of..if you had to quantify the relative value of a man to a woman..what number would you choose?  

How filthy are woman, on average...more or less filthy than dirt?  

Does a man have more or less ownership over a woman than a row of planted wheat?  

What is the allowable ratio of wives to husbands...husbands to wives?  

What is the ratio of males to females in the population of angels?

How many sex slaves can a man capture outside of his marriage, and his wife..how many is she permitted?

A five star hotel in Iraq..maybe, but who would want to stay in a hellhole like that? Tell me more about the perfect word of your perfect god, that you know so well..and would never need to misrepresent by omission.

Islam is immensely sexist, but not surprisingly sexist..considering the origin of magic book. Similarly, you;re immensely disingenuous....but not surprisingly disingenuous.....considering the origin of your beliefs.

[Mystic]

In times of an anointed King by God manifest among the people, it is incumbent to submit to the manifest authority proven by God, it times whence the anointed King by God is hidden from the masses, it is incumbent not to believe what the masses deem is the manifest authority which gets its legitimacy from the very evil falsehood and deception whence the anointed King is hidden. Democratic anarchy is the lesser evil to support when no Leader from God is present, not to give power and authority without proof from God or attribute purity and religious succession to religious authority to people without proof manifested by God. I testify this is what most of Quran is about and I testify both Shiites and Sunnis disbelieve most of the Quran in this regard.

[Astreja]

Any power-hungry twit can claim to be authorized by a god.

I, however, believe that no one has ever received a genuine divine anointment, and that it is in fact impossible to receive such an anointment because of a chronic dearth of deities.

[WinterHold]

Hmn, how much is the testimony of a woman worth?  

Speaking of..if you had to quantify the relative value of a man to a woman..what number would you choose?  

How filthy are woman, on average...more or less filthy than dirt?  

Does a man have more or less ownership over a woman than a row of planted wheat?  

What is the allowable ratio of wives to husbands...husbands to wives?  

What is the ratio of males to females in the population of angels?

How many sex slaves can a man capture outside of his marriage, and his wife..how many is she permitted?

A five star hotel in Iraq..maybe, but who would want to stay in a hellhole like that?  Tell me more about the perfect word of your perfect god, that you know so well..and would never need to misrepresent by omission.

Islam is immensely sexist, but not surprisingly sexist..considering the origin of magic book.  Similarly, you;re immensely disingenuous....but not surprisingly disingenuous.....considering the origin of your beliefs.

I am so sorry; I missed this comment.

So 1 by one; let's go

Speaking of..if you had to quantify the relative value of a man to a woman..what number would you choose? 

Variable value; just like this verse -that you keep ignoring and I don't know why- says?

Sura 3, The Quran:
( 195 )   And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward."

I enlarged it for you; the enlarged part says : men and women are -both- are judged by their deeds; not gender.
Deeds; I even underlined the relative part

Please; don't ignore it because that is my belief; and it's quite insulting and irritating to keep ignoring my answer. If you have Iraq issues; deal with it in Iraq. I have no relationship to Salafi or Shiite militias; nor the Iraqi resistance that kept turning the lives of American invading troops into a living hell. I am an Arab with a the above belief. Please don't ignore it.

How filthy are woman, on average...more or less filthy than dirt? 

According to the above verse; we are of one another. So if they are filthy then we men are filthy too.

Sura 3, The Quran:

( 195 )   And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed - I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allah, and Allah has with Him the best reward."

?

Does a man have more or less ownership over a woman than a row of planted wheat? 

You mean this verse?

Sura 2, The Quran:
( 220 )   To this world and the Hereafter. And they ask you about orphans. Say, "Improvement for them is best. And if you mix your affairs with theirs - they are your brothers. And Allah knows the corrupter from the amender. And if Allah had willed, He could have put you in difficulty. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.
( 221 )   And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men until they believe. And a believing man is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember.
( 222 )   And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."
( 223 )   Your wives are a a plow for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

So God speaks about preventing Muslim men from marrying polytheistic women; and Muslim women from marrying polytheistic men. Then he speaks about menstruation; and how it's "harm". Then in verse 223, he says that our wives are the plow that produces for us. Idk why you're offended, I mean literally women in the sexual operation "receive"; and just like a farm they produce kids. Your mom produced you like that; a male human "used her" as a plow; and the result was -sadly- you.

My mom went through the same too. My father fucked her. They had sex and the result was me.

Humans creampie women. And just like a farm; kids come out of that "seeding". So idk why you're offended; aside from cherry picking? And a very biased one; too.

What is the allowable ratio of wives to husbands...husbands to wives? 

In the above verse, we went through the women Muslim men should not marry: polytheists.

From there; we can discover this verse in Sura 4:

Sura 4, The Quran:
( 1 )   O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer.
( 2 )   And give to the orphans their properties and do not substitute the defective [of your own] for the good [of theirs]. And do not consume their properties into your own. Indeed, that is ever a great sin.
( 3 )   And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

According to this verse; I must find orphans first to spend on. Only and only and then ONLY if I feared not to be just in my dealing with them then I will be allowed to spend on more than one woman and marrying her.

So, how many women did you date in your youth; anyways?

What is the ratio of males to females in the population of angels?

Ancient Arab polytheists believed that the ratio was 100% females. But I'm a Muslim. So I don't think they even have a gender:

Sura 43, The Quran:
( 19 )   And they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.

I don't think they have a gender. But if you want to engulf sexism to get back at the author; just like ancient Arab polytheists, that' your opinion.

How many sex slaves can a man capture outside of his marriage, and his wife..how many is she permitted?

I don't know; it depends on your power and ability: a good soldier in a good platoon under a good commander can capture lots of booty.
I can't find a verse for that; neither can I find a verse the justifies slavery in the first place.

Some Muslims believe in that; but I'm not them. And I think that the concept of prostitutes and whores in the modern world is quite the same; really.

A five star hotel in Iraq..maybe, but who would want to stay in a hellhole like that? Tell me more about the perfect word of your perfect god, that you know so well..and would never need to misrepresent by omission.

American soldiers. Especially shithead contractors from Oklahoma. Fuck em.

Islam is immensely sexist, but not surprisingly sexist..considering the origin of magic book. Similarly, you;re immensely disingenuous....but not surprisingly disingenuous.....considering the origin of your beliefs.

I am ! actually; I'm such a liar; that I quote verse of the Quran (which is my belief) directly ! but I'm an illusionist ! dark magic; just like MK says.