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The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
Then what does it have to do with a god, and what use is a god in it..if human beings can do it and acknowledge it?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
Turns out MK thinks we're all lying about not believing God is real anyway, so his threads seem to be the intellectual equivalent of masturbating in front of us.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
(November 15, 2017 at 6:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Then what does it have to do with a god, and what use is a god in it..if human beings can do it and acknowledge it?

Doesn't merit a response, because it's not what I said.

(November 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Turns out MK thinks we're all lying about not believing God is real anyway, so his threads seem to be the intellectual equivalent of masturbating in front of us.

Hopefully, they will serve as reminders of how clear the issue of God's existence is from many angles, that, you will one day acknowledge the connection you have with the creator and the connection by which all other connections are established among humans.

Hopefully, they will cease at least one of you from self-deception.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
(November 15, 2017 at 5:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: eh?  If "qualitative" value must be measured, then you are saying all value must be quantitative.

How does one quantify love, for example, or the enjoyment of a cup of hot chocolate?

We can't, but there is a measurement of it, both vision of the values beauty or image, and the quantity as in magnitude of it.

This is something all humans acknowledge, and you can derive they acknowledge this just through the language they speak and what they say to each other.

I don't think you know what "measurement" means.  None of the things you are talking about is a measurement.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
Hope in  one hand, shit in another MK.  If anyone was gonna save them some heathens.....it's not going to be you, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
(November 15, 2017 at 6:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I don't think you know what "measurement" means.  None of the things you are talking about is a measurement.

I think his idea of "self-deception" is a little bit off, too.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
What kind of person tries to use arguments to prove something is true to people he believes secretly think it's true anyway? What's all this for? If we're lying about not believing him, shouldn't he focus on convincing us to be truthful instead of convincing us we're wrong; since he believes we're right but lying about it?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
(November 16, 2017 at 10:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: What kind of person tries to use arguments to prove something is true to people he believes secretly think it's true anyway? What's all this for? If we're lying about not believing him, shouldn't he focus on convincing us to be truthful instead of convincing us we're wrong; since he believes we're right but lying about it?

Funny, but I don't remember seeing any arguments -- just assertions served up with a side word salad.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
I did say 'tries'....
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
Then he needs to try a lot harder. My dogs can form a better argument.
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