This Is A Fair Question

[Huggy Bear]

You're a creationist. You're less mature than a 2 year old in a diaper.

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Personally I'm more of fan of lines like "Fuck yeah shove it in my kinky holes".

[FatAndFaithless]

Mn, good ole Huggy quote-mining.

[Huggy Bear]

So Antares went down in flames, any one else feel froggy?

I went to sleep. When I left, you were saying your god = light

Nah, I said that before you went to sleep because you clearly made three posts after that.

I have a Mag Light that runs on D cell batteries. I guess it’s full of god? Nice dance though. It’s still a contradiction.

Saying that your god is a source of light doesn’t make it so. Can you prove that your deity is a source of light?

The Bible says a lot of things that can never be, like stars falling out of the sky or the earth standing still. We actually know now where light comes from. We know what causes day and night. The person(s) that wrote that didn’t have a clue.

[stretch3172]

I actually have a working knowledge of Koine Greek (sadly, not Hebrew as of yet). The honest Christian answer would be that God allowed each biblical author's unique strengths, weaknesses, vocabulary, and style to show in their writing, though the inherent message is inspired. Peter, for example, wrote pretty bad Greek, while others such as Paul and Luke wrote beautifully. Nevertheless, the inherent messages are inspired.

The problem with that kind of thinking is that it is clear that the bible has been edited and reedited so many times that we can get not one single iota of the voices of the various authors from any modern bible.  Compound this with the fact that, despite often taking famous christian names, every single author in the bible is anonymous, and what you're left with is that the only honest, rational and truthful conclusion is that the bible is a wholly invented tissue of lies from its first I to its last full stop.

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The history of the Bible is not my area of expertise, but I would have to disagree. The Original Old Testament manuscripts were preserved to the letter by the Masoretes, with very few textual variants. Also, literary analysis and textual criticism of sets of documents such as the Pauline corpus show similar vocabulary, syntax, and theological consistency, while each biblical author takes a different approach to the same basic topics. We also have pretty solid evidence for the authorship of most of the biblical texts, especially the NT texts. The authorship of the Pastoral Epistles and Hebrews is heavily disputed, but their theology is still consistent with that of the other authors. 

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You're wrong. Most educated evangelicals hold that God allowed the biblical authors to use their own personalities, vocabulary, writing style, and even research techniques in writing and constructing their texts, though their message is inspired. Mechanical dictation only occurs in certain specific circumstances (e.g. the Ten Commandments).

Research techniques? Well that's a new one.

If the four gospels are the inspired word of God then all four gospels are true.
If all four gospels are true then all four will be the same.
The four gospels are not the same.

Indeed, the gospel of John differs so much from the other three that it may not be obvious to a casual reader that he's talking about the same bloke. So what should a rational thinking person conclude from this? I'll give you a badly needed clue, it's all made up bollocks.

Your argument is invalid. If you and I both witnessed the same event such as a parade or concert and wrote about it, our accounts would differ quite a bit in terms of the details we include (or omit). Still, both accounts could be faithful, accurate renderings of the same event from different perspectives, and both could contain valuable information to a curious reader. The only difference is that God influenced and directed this process.

[Minimalist]

I'm sure the Christian response would go along the lines of 'you can't judge the book by its translations; in Hebrew and Greek it's magnificent'.

Of course, the very people who would say that with straight faces don't read Hebrew or Greek. 

I actually have a working knowledge of Koine Greek (sadly, not Hebrew as of yet). The honest Christian answer would be that God allowed each biblical author's unique strengths, weaknesses, vocabulary, and style to show in their writing, though the inherent message is inspired. Peter, for example, wrote pretty bad Greek, while others such as Paul and Luke wrote beautifully. Nevertheless, the inherent messages are inspired.

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But EVERY word was dictated by fucking god himself..... or so the assholes claim.

You're wrong. Most educated evangelicals hold that God allowed the biblical authors to use their own personalities, vocabulary, writing style, and even research techniques in writing and constructing their texts, though their message is inspired. Mechanical dictation only occurs in certain specific circumstances (e.g. the Ten Commandments).

Why don't you go peddle that bullshit to these assholes, sonny. 

https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-1-bible-word-god

From the series: Basics of Christian Faith PREVIOUS PAGE | NEXT PAGE
Lesson 1: The Bible: The Word of God
Introduction
“The Scriptures: We believe the Bible to be the verbally inspired Word of God without error in the original writings, and the supreme and final authority in doctrine and practice.”

These are your pals, not mine.

[Antares]

I went to sleep. When I left, you were saying your god = light

Nah, I said that before you went to sleep because you clearly made three posts after that.

I have a Mag Light that runs on D cell batteries. I guess it’s full of god? Nice dance though. It’s still a contradiction.

Saying that your god is a source of light doesn’t make it so. Can you prove that your deity is a source of light?

The Bible says a lot of things that can never be, like stars falling out of the sky or the earth standing still. We actually know now where light comes from. We know what causes day and night. The person(s) that wrote that didn’t have a clue.

You’re the one that embraces a religion that advocates slavery. Who’s been had?

[drfuzzy]

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The problem with that kind of thinking is that it is clear that the bible has been edited and reedited so many times that we can get not one single iota of the voices of the various authors from any modern bible.  Compound this with the fact that, despite often taking famous christian names, every single author in the bible is anonymous, and what you're left with is that the only honest, rational and truthful conclusion is that the bible is a wholly invented tissue of lies from its first I to its last full stop.

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The history of the Bible is not my area of expertise, but I would have to disagree. The Original Old Testament manuscripts were preserved to the letter by the Masoretes, with very few textual variants. Also, literary analysis and textual criticism of sets of documents such as the Pauline corpus show similar vocabulary, syntax, and theological consistency, while each biblical author takes a different approach to the same basic topics. We also have pretty solid evidence for the authorship of most of the biblical texts, especially the NT texts. The authorship of the Pastoral Epistles and Hebrews is heavily disputed, but their theology is still consistent with that of the other authors. 

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Research techniques? Well that's a new one.

If the four gospels are the inspired word of God then all four gospels are true.
If all four gospels are true then all four will be the same.
The four gospels are not the same.

Indeed, the gospel of John differs so much from the other three that it may not be obvious to a casual reader that he's talking about the same bloke. So what should a rational thinking person conclude from this? I'll give you a badly needed clue, it's all made up bollocks.

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Your argument is invalid. If you and I both witnessed the same event such as a parade or concert and wrote about it, our accounts would differ quite a bit in terms of the details we include (or omit). Still, both accounts could be faithful, accurate renderings of the same event from different perspectives, and both could contain valuable information to a curious reader. The only difference is that God influenced and directed this process.

If you are studying the authorship of the Bible, then you are well-aware that the "gospels" are not eye-witness accounts.  

And if you claim that God influenced anything, you have to first prove that a deity exists.  I hold that no deity of any sort exists until one shows up in person and proves its own existence - no books, no preachers, no fantasy personal witness stories.  And until a deity proves its own existence, (and claims the Bible as it's handiwork - although why any advanced intelligence would claim such a hodge-podge of absurd tales would be astonishing) I consider the Bible to be fiction, like the Quran, the Bhagavad-Gita, the tales of the Greek and Roman and Egyptian gods, etc.

[Huggy Bear]

You’re the one that embraces a religion that advocates slavery. Who’s been had?

Bu but SLAVERY!..

Was there indentured servitude? yes, it was purely voluntary, you were not allowed to force someone in to servitude / slavery.

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. - Exodus 21:16

once again

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC, Hugs, you can't fence stolen property.  How..exactly, are you reading that one, lol?

[Huggy Bear]

OFC, Hugs, you can't fence stolen property.  How..exactly, are you reading that one, lol?

Here we go...

Explain what you mean.