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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:29 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:17 am)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 1:17 am)Whateverist Wrote: I know you won't believe it but failure to convince a moron of it is no knock against abiogenesis and/or evolution. Your demeanor is no substitute for gross ignorance. I think I'd have more luck explaining evolution to my dogs than to you and Banned.
It is true that living things can adapt to their environment. However, what I am discussing is abiogenesis. In other words intelligent design or happenstance.
(March 10, 2018 at 1:29 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Why do you keep using that word?
I don't think it means what you think it means.
Definition of happenstance
: a circumstance especially that is due to chance
- They came together by mere happenstance.
Which again shows your ignorance of the sciences you are criticising.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:32 am
(March 10, 2018 at 1:33 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (March 9, 2018 at 10:54 pm)He lives Wrote: God is the epitome of intelligence. What is surprising is that anyone could possibly believe that the human body came into existence by any other means than intelligent design.
"God"is the epitome of excuses and explanations for those lacking the intelligence or credibility to understand science.
What surprises me is, that with all the mountains of evidence in suppirt of evolution, and the lack of evidence for this deity, that anyone could actually believe in intelligent design.
Especially when you take into account all the faults in the human genome. If there is a designer, he's incompetent.
While there are problems in the human genome that need to be solved, I was referring to the beginning of life or abiogenesis.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:35 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:32 am)He lives Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 1:33 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: "God"is the epitome of excuses and explanations for those lacking the intelligence or credibility to understand science.
What surprises me is, that with all the mountains of evidence in suppirt of evolution, and the lack of evidence for this deity, that anyone could actually believe in intelligent design.
Especially when you take into account all the faults in the human genome. If there is a designer, he's incompetent.
While there are problems in the human genome that need to be solved, I was referring to the beginning of life or abiogenesis.
But "intelligent design" is the claim creationists use and want taught alongside or instead of evolution., so my comment still holds.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:37 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:14 am)robvalue Wrote: How exactly did God create everything by happenstance? Did he use happenstance magic?
Was Jesus happenstance?
You have it mixed up. God's creations are intelligent design. Happenstance is a man made guess of the beginning of life.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:42 am
As usual creationists never bother to read up to date research into abiogenesis and have an appalling understanding of bio-chem.
It is a sad observation that much of this sloppy thinking comes from our American cousins. You have some of the best universities in the world, but I guess trickle down academia doesn't work either.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:43 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:35 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (March 10, 2018 at 2:32 am)He lives Wrote: While there are problems in the human genome that need to be solved, I was referring to the beginning of life or abiogenesis.
But "intelligent design" is the claim creationists use and want taught alongside or instead of evolution., so my comment still holds.
I am a creationist. I believe that life was not created through happenstance.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:45 am
Happenstance has nothing to do with it, chemistry and physics does, crack open a text book rather than cheerlead for your team.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:48 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:42 am)JackRussell Wrote: As usual creationists never bother to read up to date research into abiogenesis and have an appalling understanding of bio-chem.
It is a sad observation that much of this sloppy thinking comes from our American cousins. You have some of the best universities in the world, but I guess trickle down academia doesn't work either.
Up to date research on abiogenesis has many hypothesis on the beginning of life. Which of these do you prefer? However they are all based on happenstance.
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:55 am
Can you quote some of that latest research and link to the relevant papers without a frantic google search?
I can.
Abiogenesis is a tricky problem, but that life began and that common descent from that point occurred is trivially obvious to those without an agenda to insert their mythology.
ID is the lazy route that obviates meaningful inquiry. To date no intelligence is observed, just stuff doing what it will always do under certain circumstances. Replicating that is an obvious problem, can you work out why?
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RE: Evolution
March 10, 2018 at 2:55 am
(March 10, 2018 at 2:45 am)JackRussell Wrote: Happenstance has nothing to do with it, chemistry and physics does, crack open a text book rather than cheerlead for your team.
Have you created life through chemistry and physics? Perhaps you should check out the hypotheses that scientists have offered through abiogenesis. Each one of them is about life created through happenstance.
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