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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:02 pm
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Catholic_Lady Wrote:How did the universe create itself?
There are a number of plausible hypotheses for the origin of the universe that can be found under 'Physical Cosmology' on Wikipedia. We don't have the means of testing those hypotheses, but they conform to the laws of physics as we know them and have math that works. And for starters, it is entirely unclear that the universe hasn't existed eternally in some form. The Big Bang was a change of state of the early, hot, dense universe into an expanding one. How long that hot dense state had 'been there' and if it ever expanded before is currently unknowable.
How did God come to exist? How did God create the universe?
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:04 pm
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(April 26, 2018 at 11:57 am)Hammy Wrote: (April 26, 2018 at 11:28 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: How did the universe create itself?
1) It didn't it was already there So the OP was wrong to say there's proof that the universe created itself?
(April 26, 2018 at 12:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Catholic_Lady Wrote:How did the universe create itself?
Their are a number of plausible hypotheses for the origin of the universe that can be found under 'Physical Cosmology' on Wikipedia. We don't have the means of testing those hypotheses, but they conform to the laws of physics as we know them and have math that works. And for starters, it is entirely unclear that the universe hasn't existed eternally in some form. The Big Bang was a change of state of the early, hot, dense universe into an expanding one. How long that hot dense state had 'been there' and if it ever expanded before is currently unknowable.
How did God come to exist? How did God create the universe? .
There is no proof that He did, and so I would not claim there was.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:08 pm
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Catholic_Lady Wrote:Interaktive Wrote:Whoever has a high aikju and good mental health will come to the right conclusion that there is no God.
Also, since you're all about proof and scientific evidence, do you have any proof for your claim that atheists have better mental health than theists?
A quick google search found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26743877
It would be interesting to compare that to a similar study done in an atheist-majority country. It's not very surprising that small, widely despised minority would not be as healthy as a large majority. One of the measures of the study concerning psychological health was social support characteristics. The deficiency tentatively identified could easily be more of an effect of the social support characteristics than a cause. Has a similar studiy been conducted in the UK?
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(April 26, 2018 at 12:08 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Catholic_Lady Wrote:Also, since you're all about proof and scientific evidence, do you have any proof for your claim that atheists have better mental health than theists?
A quick google search found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26743877
It would be interesting to compare that to a similar study done in an atheist-majority country. It's not very surprising that small, widely despised minority would not be as healthy as a large majority.
Maybe the correct answer is: Theism does not make a person mentally ill, and neither does atheism.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm
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Catholic_Lady Wrote:There is no proof that He did, and so I would not claim there was.
I regret trying to give you an honest and informative answer to your question, now.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:It would be interesting to compare that to a similar study done in an atheist-majority country. It's not very surprising that small, widely despised minority would not be as healthy as a large majority.
Maybe the correct answer is: Theism does not make a person mentally ill, and neither does atheism.
Seems reasonable.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 12:43 pm
(April 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Catholic_Lady Wrote:There is no proof that He did, and so I would not claim there was.
I regret trying to give you an honest and informative answer to your question, now.
What? I appreciate you answering my question. I was, in turn, answering yours and admitting that there is no proof that God created the universe. Not sure why you're being salty, but ok.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 1:07 pm
Quote:It is not our "burden" to prove to you that God does exist and that the Bible is truth.
Yes it is. You are addressing a bunch of people who regard your fairy tales as primitive bullshit. If you have evidence that it is more than that it is up to you to present it. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen but don't pretend that anyone has to accept your beliefs as facts.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 2:26 pm
I sincerely apologize. I honestly should've known that there are some on here that do try to "convert". Thats not my intent and reasons at all. I shouldnt have responded in this thread. My reason for being on here is to figure out the reasoning and logic of an atheist. In particular, a self proclaimed atheist who has admitedly "walked away" from the Christian faith. When i say Christian i mean a Jesus following Bible believing Christian. Some on this site do not like me on here at all and thats ok. I will not post any comments at all from here on out. I will only read some threads that i find interesting and helpful for answering my questions. However , i will correspond only in the PM section. So , again, my sincere apologies. Thanks to those who have welcomed me. And a big ol FYI.... this does not mean i can't stand the "heat" from any of you! Or that i can't prove anything. This is just called respect.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Sorry you're leaving.
Its always interesting to have theists join the site, as it adds diversity. If you change your mind, you are welcome back.
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RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
April 26, 2018 at 2:47 pm
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Catholic_Lady Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:I regret trying to give you an honest and informative answer to your question, now.
What? I appreciate you answering my question. I was, in turn, answering yours and admitting that there is no proof that God created the universe. Not sure why you're being salty, but ok.
I'm occasionally salty. And you completely ignored the first question. And I did not ask for proof, I asked 'how'. You have no opinion on the matter at all?
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