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Let's talk about bias!!!
#1
Let's talk about bias!!!
So what are your thoughts on bias?

Some things to consider...

How does society as a whole tend towards biased thinking or not?

How do you recognise bias in you own life? How does one ride themselves of bias? Is it an exercise of will or simply something you learn (free will vs determinism)?

Is bias a myth? If it is, what is our (your) role in coming to grips with being wrong (or at least incorrect) or not? Can one justify never being wrong from a theoretical standpoint? 

What would be required to believe (heh) that one does not have any biases?

Is it easier for you to separate seeing bias in others or yourself more?

How does our perception tie into our biases? 

Are our tools to measure the universe fallible due to bias? Why or why not?
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#2
RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:19 am)Quick Wrote: So what are your thoughts on bias?

Some things to consider...

How does society as a whole tend towards biased thinking or not?

How do you recognise bias in you own life? How does one ride themselves of bias? Is it an exercise of will or simply something you learn (free will vs determinism)?

Is bias a myth? If it is, what is our (your) role in coming to grips with being wrong (or at least incorrect) or not? Can one justify never being wrong from a theoretical standpoint? 

What would be required to believe (heh) that one does not have any biases?

Is it easier for you to separate seeing bias in others or yourself more?

How does our perception tie into our biases? 

Are our tools to measure the universe fallible due to bias? Why or why not?

Bias is irelevant. This deduction is made out of reality, if whatever the fuck gods do exist, I stand here, half a body and 1/4 th of a mind. You let me know what a god is.
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#3
RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:32 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 10:19 am)Quick Wrote: So what are your thoughts on bias?

Some things to consider...

How does society as a whole tend towards biased thinking or not?

How do you recognise bias in you own life? How does one ride themselves of bias? Is it an exercise of will or simply something you learn (free will vs determinism)?

Is bias a myth? If it is, what is our (your) role in coming to grips with being wrong (or at least incorrect) or not? Can one justify never being wrong from a theoretical standpoint? 

What would be required to believe (heh) that one does not have any biases?

Is it easier for you to separate seeing bias in others or yourself more?

How does our perception tie into our biases? 

Are our tools to measure the universe fallible due to bias? Why or why not?

Bias is irelevant. This deduction is made out of reality, if whatever the fuck gods do exist, I stand here, half a body and 1/4 th of a mind. You let me know what a god is.

This topic has nothing to do with belief in God or gods.
But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change, 
and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence. 
~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'
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RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:38 am)Quick Wrote: This topic has nothing to do with belief in God or gods.

As it stands, I talk within the forum rules. report if you will Big Grin har har har.
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#5
RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:46 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 10:38 am)Quick Wrote: This topic has nothing to do with belief in God or gods.

As it stands, I talk within the forum rules. report if you will Big Grin har har har.

Well, that's fine, but then I am not sure what your argument is because you are introducing God or gods into a conversation that doesn't necessitate talking about God or gods.
But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change, 
and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence. 
~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'
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RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:48 am)Quick Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 10:46 am)LastPoet Wrote: As it stands, I talk within the forum rules. report if you will Big Grin har har har.

Well, that's fine, but then I am not sure what your argument is because you are introducing God or gods into a conversation that doesn't necessitate talking about God or gods.

"Gods" are an influence on us humans or are you shitting on me? Just look out of the window if you will. Who are you to tell me what is allowed or not in this forum? It's Tibs and he can nuke from orbit.
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RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:54 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 10:48 am)Quick Wrote: Well, that's fine, but then I am not sure what your argument is because you are introducing God or gods into a conversation that doesn't necessitate talking about God or gods.

"Gods" are an influence on us humans or are you shitting on me? Just look out of the window if you will. Who are you to tell me what is allowed or not in this forum? It's Tibs and he can nuke from orbit.

I'm not, and this is supposed to be a serious discussion.
But your individuality and your present need will be swept away by change, 
and what you now ardently desire will one day become the object of abhorrence. 
~ Schiller - 'Psychological Types'
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RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 10:19 am)Quick Wrote: How does society as a whole tend towards biased thinking or not?
Strongly,  most of which will be implicit.  Which is to say that they are unconscious and automatic.  The classic example is an egalitarian male who..nevertheless, associates females with domestic life and on account of this trusts his female coworkers input less.  

Quote:How do you recognise bias in you own life? How does one ride themselves of bias? Is it an exercise of will or simply something you learn (free will vs determinism)?
Well, for cognitive biases, we have a system.  For implicit biases.....we've got next to nothing.  This is part of why females couldn;t vote until 1920.   

Quote:Is bias a myth? If it is, what is our (your) role in coming to grips with being wrong (or at least incorrect) or not? Can one justify never being wrong from a theoretical standpoint? 
No.  

Quote:What would be required to believe (heh) that one does not have any biases?
Cognitive bias, lol.

Quote:Is it easier for you to separate seeing bias in others or yourself more?
Cognitive, about the same regardless..implicit is easier to spot in others (and be informed about by others).  Outsider test.  

Quote:How does our perception tie into our biases? 
Our biases -are- perceptions.  

Quote:Are our tools to measure the universe fallible due to bias? Why or why not?
All tools are fallible, bias or no bias..but here you'd be referring to cognitive biases.   We have self correcting systems for reducing their presence and effect.  I think they're sufficient.
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#9
RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
I view bias as an inescapable human condition.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: Let's talk about bias!!!
(May 9, 2018 at 11:00 am)Quick Wrote:
(May 9, 2018 at 10:54 am)LastPoet Wrote: "Gods" are an influence on us humans or are you shitting on me? Just look out of the window if you will. Who are you to tell me what is allowed or not in this forum? It's Tibs and he can nuke from orbit.

I'm not, and this is supposed to be a serious discussion.

If you look at my avatar, it looks pretty´dayum serious. Do you want a gag to put on me? Good luck trying. Big Grin
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