Why millennials are drawn to socialism

[Anomalocaris]

I,ll say it once i'll say it a hundred times . Socialism can beat Capitalism.

Learning from CDF47, are we?

[notimportant1234]

I think that this competition is a good thing in consumer goods...it;s just that we include things we shouldn;t in that set.  It;s hardly working "the best" now..it;s failing.

That;s why millenials are drawn to socialism.  Observation of the failure of capitalism.  Capilatism for art, capitalism for big screen tvs..sure.  Capitalism for food has already failed, completely.  Look at our farm subsidies.  There are malnourished people in the richest and most productive piece of real state on the panet.  That;s failure.  Abject failure.  We ameliorate it with half step socialist stopgaps...but we just can;t bring ourselves to admit the problem we have and do what we need to do to solve it. Yet another failure of capitalist ideology.  For a framework that deifies competition..it sure as hell can;t stand any.  It perceives ideological competition as a rejection of it;s validity, lol.

I see your point but  I would say that in the US it worked well  but when I look at my country I'm seeing captalism crippled by corruption and nepotism and the only thing that seems to keep it alive are the people who left the country and migrated to W Europe to work and are sending money to their families in the country. That is why I concentrate more on the people, no matter how good or flexible a system is, people through their behavior can ruin it.

[Amarok]

Learning from CDF47, are we?

Nope learning from 10 years of reading political theory and practice . Socialism can work and can win.

[pocaracas]

Could be that millennial's tend to feel more entitled to things? One could also argue my generation did not see the horrors of what socialism has done to people. I don't consider myself a fan of socialism nor capitalism. Socialism to me means more government, bigger government. I do not like the idea of the government being so involved in my life. And I do not think that is paranoia I just prefer to stand by my Libertarian values. In my opinion the government should serve the basic needs of the people. Protection, security and safety.

I prefer the idea of ownership and personal fiscal responsibility. It should NOT be the governments responsibility to cut you a check for whatever it is such as college, healthcare and welfare. Call me cruel but I think welfare needs to be cut or at least more regulated. It should be used more as temporary form of assistance because it is well abused. I do understand things such as EMS, police and the fire department are forms of socialism. But again, those fall under basic needs the government should provide. Other than that, I do not think the government should be much larger than that. But that is just me as a Libertarian.

I have always been taught to work for everything and pay for something when you know you have the money. Not when you think you will have the money. Take my college for instance, I was lucky enough I began saving when I was a small child. Then, that money was put into stocks and it grew. And now I am graduating college debt free. I consider myself rather lucky. But if I did not have the money for college, I would not dare take out a loan. I'd start at a local community college (which I actually did) and see where that takes me. Community College in my county at least, is very affordable. I think if people learned to stop taking loans out for petty things such as that brand new iphone, that new car etc people would have much more money to spend.

I am also against taxing corporations heavily. Sure, should they be taxed? Absolutely! But just like everyone else. Corporations create jobs and are the reason the majority of us in the private sector do have jobs in the first place.

I think socialism can work in these smaller nations, but we have yet to see is successful in a nation with a large population.

These are just my opinions though. Does not mean I am right, but just how I feel when it comes to the topic on socialism.

Ah... Decades of propaganda and this is the end result. I hope you're proud, America.

"Oh no, no socialism for me. But if you can't afford a big university, do go to community college like I did"...

The inability to identify socialism, as it has become defined as communism, specifically the Soviet brand of communism (that everyone already noted was faulty due to the human factor).


Public low cost (for the user) healthcare, education and other services, that end up being supported by taxation to which everyone contributes according to their ability is what it's about.
It's not entitlement, it's the global perspective that makes us care for everyone else's well-being, and being willing to pay for it.

Sure, the system can be abused, but which system can't?

[GODZILLA]

Could be that millennial's tend to feel more entitled to things? One could also argue my generation did not see the horrors of what socialism has done to people. I don't consider myself a fan of socialism nor capitalism. Socialism to me means more government, bigger government. I do not like the idea of the government being so involved in my life. And I do not think that is paranoia I just prefer to stand by my Libertarian values. In my opinion the government should serve the basic needs of the people. Protection, security and safety.

I prefer the idea of ownership and personal fiscal responsibility. It should NOT be the governments responsibility to cut you a check for whatever it is such as college, healthcare and welfare. Call me cruel but I think welfare needs to be cut or at least more regulated. It should be used more as temporary form of assistance because it is well abused. I do understand things such as EMS, police and the fire department are forms of socialism. But again, those fall under basic needs the government should provide. Other than that, I do not think the government should be much larger than that. But that is just me as a Libertarian.

I have always been taught to work for everything and pay for something when you know you have the money. Not when you think you will have the money. Take my college for instance, I was lucky enough I began saving when I was a small child. Then, that money was put into stocks and it grew. And now I am graduating college debt free. I consider myself rather lucky. But if I did not have the money for college, I would not dare take out a loan. I'd start at a local community college (which I actually did) and see where that takes me. Community College in my county at least, is very affordable. I think if people learned to stop taking loans out for petty things such as that brand new iphone, that new car etc people would have much more money to spend.

I am also against taxing corporations heavily. Sure, should they be taxed? Absolutely! But just like everyone else. Corporations create jobs and are the reason the majority of us in the private sector do have jobs in the first place.

I think socialism can work in these smaller nations, but we have yet to see is successful in a nation with a large population.

These are just my opinions though. Does not mean I am right, but just how I feel when it comes to the topic on socialism.

It's not entitlement, it's the global perspective that makes us care for everyone else's well-being, and being willing to pay for it.

Sure, the system can be abused, but which system can't?

What if some of us like me and several others for instance do not want to pay for someone else? I look out for myself, I am a hard working American that minds their own business, follows the law, pays his taxes and so on. So what is so wrong with me wanting others to be responsible for themsevelves? I also want you to know I am not trying to attack you, this is just how I feel.

And yeah, that is true any system can be abused.

[I_am_not_mafia]

What if some of us like me and several others for instance do not want to pay for someone else? I look out for myself, I am a hard working American that minds their own business

You've already been supported by everyone else. This is what allows you, and everyone else in your country, to be a hard working American. For example you pay taxes for a police force and the fire brigade yet other people are the ones who need to use them. Other people's taxes have paid for your education.

If this wasn't the case then you'd have to spend most of your time protecting your belongings from thieves and fire with no skills to look after yourself. That's if you weren't already enslaved and working with no wages. It's how society works. Money is spent for the good of everyone.

Take my example of Germany giving people 2/3rd of their previous wage when they become unemployed. This allows people to find a job suitable for their skill set. If there was no unemployment benefit then people would have to take whatever they could. This would mean that many of the skilled work force were working in unskilled jobs and unable to devote the time to finding work that properly exploited the skills they have to offer. This would mean that the economy would not be working as well as it could. The same goes for subsidised health care. The strength of Germany's economy testifies to the efficacy of this method.

The 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is what's killing America's economy. People who have already benefitted from being supported by others being unwilling to help invest in the country's future.

[Sal]

Social policy ≠ socialism.

Just throwing that out there.

[GODZILLA]

What if some of us like me and several others for instance do not want to pay for someone else? I look out for myself, I am a hard working American that minds their own business

You've already been supported by everyone else. This is what allows you, and everyone else in your country, to be a hard working American. For example you pay taxes for a police force and the fire brigade yet other people are the ones who need to use them. Other people's taxes have paid for your education.

If this wasn't the case then you'd have to spend most of your time protecting your belongings from thieves and fire with no skills to look after yourself. That's if you weren't already enslaved and working with no wages. It's how society works. Money is spent for the good of everyone.

Take my example of Germany giving people 2/3rd of their previous wage when they become unemployed. This allows people to find a job suitable for their skill set. If there was no unemployment benefit then people would have to take whatever they could. This would mean that many of the skilled work force were working in unskilled jobs and unable to devote the time to finding work that properly exploited the skills they have to offer. This would mean that the economy would not be working as well as it could. The same goes for subsidised health care. The strength of Germany's economy testifies to the efficacy of this method.

The 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is what's killing America's economy. People who have already benefitted from being supported by others being unwilling to help invest in the country's future.

I should mention I did pay for my college out of pocket with my own money. But i imagine you were talking about the public education system in K-12. And I could probably defend myself since I own multiple firearms and other weapons and understand self defense. But good point nonetheless.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

What if some of us like me and several others for instance do not want to pay for someone else? I look out for myself, I am a hard working American that minds their own business, follows the law, pays his taxes and so on. So what is so wrong with me wanting others to be responsible for themsevelves? I also want you to know I am not trying to attack you, this is just how I feel.

Are there any social programmes you're willing to support with your tax payments?  For instance, would you object to public monies going to fund a shelter for battered women?  How about counselling/treatment for PTSD-afflicted soldiers or first responders?  Food safety standards?  Anything?

I'm honestly not intending for these to be 'gotcha' questions, I'm just curious if there are any social initiatives on the public dole which you're OK with.

Boru

[Mr.wizard]

You've already been supported by everyone else. This is what allows you, and everyone else in your country, to be a hard working American. For example you pay taxes for a police force and the fire brigade yet other people are the ones who need to use them. Other people's taxes have paid for your education.

If this wasn't the case then you'd have to spend most of your time protecting your belongings from thieves and fire with no skills to look after yourself. That's if you weren't already enslaved and working with no wages. It's how society works. Money is spent for the good of everyone.

Take my example of Germany giving people 2/3rd of their previous wage when they become unemployed. This allows people to find a job suitable for their skill set. If there was no unemployment benefit then people would have to take whatever they could. This would mean that many of the skilled work force were working in unskilled jobs and unable to devote the time to finding work that properly exploited the skills they have to offer. This would mean that the economy would not be working as well as it could. The same goes for subsidised health care. The strength of Germany's economy testifies to the efficacy of this method.

The 'I'm alright Jack' attitude is what's killing America's economy. People who have already benefitted from being supported by others being unwilling to help invest in the country's future.

I should mention I did pay for my college out of pocket with my own money. But i imagine you were talking about the public education system in K-12. And I could probably defend myself since I own multiple firearms and other weapons and understand self defense. But good point nonetheless.

You said you went to community college, community colleges are heavily funded by state money that is why they are so affordable. So you were able to start at a community college because the contributions of others made it affordable.