Race and IQs

[Huggy Bear]

Post the source of your data because i'm detecting a red flag...

Dr Richard Lynn, Dr Philippe Rushton, Dr Richard Herrnstein and Dr Charles Murray are leading scholars whose research has come to these conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

Lynn sits on the editorial boards of the journals Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences, and Mankind Quarterly. Critics have called Mankind Quarterly a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal." He is also on the board of the Pioneer Fund, which funds Mankind Quarterly, and has also been described as racist in nature.  A number of scientists, including Leon Kamin, have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda. A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research, with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda. From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a research foundation that has been accused of being racist.

Herrnstein and Murray Are authors of the 'Bell Curve'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Much of the work referenced by The Bell Curve was funded by the Pioneer Fund, which aims to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences, and has been accused of promoting scientific racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Herrnstein and Murray were criticized for not submitting their work to peer review before publication, an omission many have seen as incompatible with their presentation of it as a scholarly text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund

Pioneer Fund is an American non-profit foundation established in 1937 "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences". The organization has been described as racist and "white supremacist" in nature, and as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Angrboda]

Well, if you can't kill the message, you can always shoot the messenger.

[CapnAwesome]

Well, if you can't kill the message, you can always shoot the messenger.

Not shooting the messenger, shooting their methodology.

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What a funny thread. Starts out by saying

I have encountered research by several reputed scientists that says that the mean IQ's of different races are different

Turns out that's true, except their reputed to be racists who did their research for hate groups.

Then you have all the forum members making up high IQ scores for themselves, who never even say which type of IQ test they took, and often times give scores which aren't even measured up to on standard IQ tests, but they think it's what sounds like a high IQ.

[Minimalist]

Good work, Hugster.

[Angrboda]

Not shooting the messenger, shooting their methodology.

Dr Richard Lynn, Dr Philippe Rushton, Dr Richard Herrnstein and Dr Charles Murray are leading scholars whose research has come to these conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

Lynn sits on the editorial boards of the journals Intelligence, Personality and Individual Differences, and Mankind Quarterly. Critics have called Mankind Quarterly a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal." He is also on the board of the Pioneer Fund, which funds Mankind Quarterly, and has also been described as racist in nature.  A number of scientists, including Leon Kamin, have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda. A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research, with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda. From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a research foundation that has been accused of being racist.

Herrnstein and Murray Are authors of the 'Bell Curve'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Much of the work referenced by The Bell Curve was funded by the Pioneer Fund, which aims to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences, and has been accused of promoting scientific racism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Herrnstein and Murray were criticized for not submitting their work to peer review before publication, an omission many have seen as incompatible with their presentation of it as a scholarly text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund

Pioneer Fund is an American non-profit foundation established in 1937 "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences". The organization has been described as racist and "white supremacist" in nature, and as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[Huggy Bear]

What point are you trying to make Jormungandr?

[Angrboda]

That there is plenty of shooting the messenger, aka ad hominem, in your reply. Of what relevance is the nature of the Pioneer Fund to the question of whether their conclusions are justified or not?

[Amarok]

I'm sorry to say but i gotta side Huggie and Capt here. Their collective works are shit . And yes their motivations to do the research matter.

[CapnAwesome]

That there is plenty of shooting the messenger, aka ad hominem, in your reply. Of what relevance is the nature of the Pioneer Fund to the question of whether their conclusions are justified or not?

Yeah, except they already questioned the methodology. So that's only true if their entire argument boils down to "It's not true cause they are racists."

Of course that's not what is being said. What's being said is that they are using poor methodology and arguments and they are funded by racists, which would explain why their errors skew towards their opinions.

[Huggy Bear]

That there is plenty of shooting the messenger, aka ad hominem, in your reply.  Of what relevance is the nature of the Pioneer Fund to the question of whether their conclusions are justified or not?

How is posting wikki articles being construed as ad hominem?

These peoples methods were questioned by the scientific community, or did you not read that part?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn

A number of scientists, including Leon Kamin, have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research, with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Herrnstein and Murray were criticized for not submitting their work to peer review before publication, an omission many have seen as incompatible with their presentation of it as a scholarly text

This "research" is being funded by a single group which shows a clear agenda, what do you think the solution to all these "low IQ" people will be? Have you learned nothing from Nazi Germany?

the founder of the Pioneer fund

Wickliffe Draper (August 9, 1891 – 1972) was an American political activist and philanthropist. He was an ardent eugenicist and lifelong advocate of strict racial segregation. In 1937, he founded the Pioneer Fund, a registered charitable organisation established to provide scholarships for descendants of original white American settlers and to support research into heredity and eugenics; he later became its principal benefactor.

In August 1935, Draper traveled to Berlin to attend the International Congress for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems. Presiding over the conference was Wilhelm Frick, the German Minister of the Interior. At the conference, Draper's travel companion, Dr. Clarence Campbell delivered an oration that concluded with the words: "The difference between the Jew and the Aryan is as unsurmountable [sic] as that between black and white. … Germany has set a pattern which other nations must follow. … To that great leader, Adolf Hitler!" Three years later, when Draper paid to print and disseminate the book, White America, by Earnest Sevier Cox, an advocate of white supremacy and racial segregation, a personal copy was delivered to Frick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

Adolf Hitler read about racial hygiene during his imprisonment in Landsberg Prison.[16]

Hitler believed the nation had become weak, corrupted by dysgenics, the infusion of degenerate elements into its bloodstream.

The racialism and idea of competition, termed social Darwinism in 1944, were discussed by European scientists and also in the Vienna press during the 1920s. Where Hitler picked up the ideas is uncertain. The theory of evolution had been generally accepted in Germany at the time, but this sort of extremism was rare.

So my question to you Jormungandr is; Do you agree with the OP's position?