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RE: Can God love?
June 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm
"Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love ... as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance." ~ Wikipedia
And yet God cannot accept me as I am. Doesn't sound like agape to me.
Supposedly it's because of justice, yet the supposed king of agape said:
"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."
Something is amiss here.
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RE: Can God love?
June 19, 2018 at 7:30 pm
It's just another hook to get one into the cult.
"Hey, love is pretty grand, right? What if I told you there was an even better version of it? That everything you've experienced with actual people pales in comparison with this ur-love? And that all you have to do is believe in a creator deity that sent himself, in the form of his own son, down to earth to live, and then suffer and die for the sins inherent in our human nature? Who wouldn't do that?"
It's patently ridiculous.
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RE: Can God love?
June 19, 2018 at 7:33 pm
They've abandoned "unconditional" for "agape". Neither term makes any sense in describing god's "love". Soon, "agape" will be abandoned for some other apologetic term.
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RE: Can God love?
June 19, 2018 at 7:43 pm
Terms are terms, and everything we attribute regarding God fall short, even the term "God", doesn't do his greatness justice nor his right justice nor the degree we ought to value him and cherish him and our link to him, justice.
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 12:22 am
(June 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love ... as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance." ~ Wikipedia
And yet God cannot accept me as I am. Doesn't sound like agape to me.
God does accept people as they are, it doesn't matter your condition. What matters is you are wanting a change and God wants to be there to guide you through the change. God accepted me as I was and accepts me as I am now, His love has rang true in my life because I wanted it.
Jormungandr Wrote:Supposedly it's because of justice, yet the supposed king of agape said:
"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."
Something is amiss here.
Turning the other cheek has nothing to do with justice, it is showing our love for God by standing our ground and not retaliating because what/Who we believe puts us above retaliation. Nothing is amiss we are to live what we believe, this is one way we worship God.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 12:45 am
(June 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love ... as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance." ~ Wikipedia
And yet God cannot accept me as I am. Doesn't sound like agape to me.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 5:26 am
(June 20, 2018 at 12:22 am)Godscreated Wrote: (June 19, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love ... as it embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance." ~ Wikipedia
And yet God cannot accept me as I am. Doesn't sound like agape to me.
God does accept people as they are, it doesn't matter your condition. What matters is you are wanting a change and God wants to be there to guide you through the change. God accepted me as I was and accepts me as I am now, His love has rang true in my life because I wanted it.
Agape... with conditions. Sorry, GC, it doesn't work that way. If he doesn't accept me unless I want to change, then he doesn't truly accept me. Your complaint is ridiculous on the face of it. What if you said to your wife, "I accept you as you are, but only if you're willing to change"? That would be pure hypocrisy.
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 8:55 am
(June 20, 2018 at 5:26 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (June 20, 2018 at 12:22 am)Godscreated Wrote:
God does accept people as they are, it doesn't matter your condition. What matters is you are wanting a change and God wants to be there to guide you through the change. God accepted me as I was and accepts me as I am now, His love has rang true in my life because I wanted it.
Agape... with conditions. Sorry, GC, it doesn't work that way. If he doesn't accept me unless I want to change, then he doesn't truly accept me. Your complaint is ridiculous on the face of it. What if you said to your wife, "I accept you as you are, but only if you're willing to change"? That would be pure hypocrisy.
You are talking about different things like they are one. God loves you no matter what you do or what condition you are in. It is his Holiness that can't accommodate sin that has not been atoned for. It is his Justice the defines the punishment for lacking that atonement at the end of your life.
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 8:57 am
(June 20, 2018 at 8:55 am)SteveII Wrote: (June 20, 2018 at 5:26 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Agape... with conditions. Sorry, GC, it doesn't work that way. If he doesn't accept me unless I want to change, then he doesn't truly accept me. Your complaint is ridiculous on the face of it. What if you said to your wife, "I accept you as you are, but only if you're willing to change"? That would be pure hypocrisy.
You are talking about different things like they are one. God loves you no matter what you do or what condition you are in. It is his Holiness that can't accommodate sin that has not been atoned for. It is his Justice the defines the punishment for lacking that atonement at the end of your life.
That sounds like he's the one that needs to change. Not us.
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RE: Can God love?
June 20, 2018 at 9:55 am
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Lol, Mommy and Daddy love you just the way you are..we just wont ever let you in our house because you;re queer. You'll find a can of gas and some matches on the porch. Do the right thing.
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