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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 17, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(July 17, 2018 at 4:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: I want to see an atheist correctly articulate the doctrine of the trinity. Should be easy with most of you claiming to know exactly what Christians believe and how stupid they are to believe it. Go ahead...consider it a triple-dog dare. Lets stick with the most common concept found in the Apostle's Creed.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 17, 2018 at 7:00 pm
1 Corinthians 8 (KJV)
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
I note it does not say "none other triune God but one"
A perfect chance to endorse the trinity, but once again, Scripture lags the followers.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm
(July 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Which is kind of the whole fucking point, MH. I bet Stevie can define it. Whatever some holy joe told him he will regurgitate back.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm
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(July 17, 2018 at 2:53 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: Some say that Jesus' saying these words increases the plausibility of the crucifixion occurring, due to the argument of embarrassment....
Curiously the only group to use the argument of embarrassment are Christian apologists.
As a thought exercise why not apply the AOE to say... Homer's Odyssey.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 17, 2018 at 11:16 pm
(July 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Succubus Wrote: (July 17, 2018 at 2:53 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: Some say that Jesus' saying these words increases the plausibility of the crucifixion occurring, due to the argument of embarrassment....
Curiously the only group to use the argument of embarrassment are Christian apologists.
As a thought exercise why not apply the AOE to say... Homer's Odyssey.
Did a more incompetent wanker ever set foot on water?
True, but then again Odysseus was never a religious figure.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 18, 2018 at 1:01 am
(July 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (July 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Which is kind of the whole fucking point, MH. I bet Stevie can define it. Whatever some holy joe told him he will regurgitate back.
It's hard to be the True Christian.
I wouldn't know.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 18, 2018 at 2:26 am
(July 17, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Atill pretty sure there are more verses that indicate they are different people, than verses indicating they're the same person. And yes, him begging the father not to make him do it before the crucifixion, and asking why he was forsaken during it, are two great examples.
No He did not, on the Mount the night before Jesus said "not my will but your will Father." The man in Jesus was crying out on the cross because He was bearing the sin of all humanity when He said those words. Sorry but you are wrong again why not just simply read the Bible and find the truth.
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 18, 2018 at 3:41 am
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(July 18, 2018 at 2:26 am)Godscreated Wrote: (July 17, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Atill pretty sure there are more verses that indicate they are different people, than verses indicating they're the same person. And yes, him begging the father not to make him do it before the crucifixion, and asking why he was forsaken during it, are two great examples.
No He did not, on the Mount the night before Jesus said "not my will but your will Father." The man in Jesus was crying out on the cross because He was bearing the sin of all humanity when He said those words. Sorry but you are wrong again why not just simply read the Bible and find the truth.
GC
The quote is actually ''" Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." he certainly did ask god to take the cup from him. That would make him at the very least a reluctant sacrifice.
*bold mine*
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 18, 2018 at 4:29 am
(July 18, 2018 at 2:26 am)Godscreated Wrote: The man in Jesus was crying out on the cross because He was bearing the sin of all humanity when He said those words. Sorry but you are wrong again why not just simply read the Bible and find the truth.
GC
Seems that "man in Jesus" will continue to exist even in so called heaven where only spirits live because 1 Peter 3:22 states that Jesus is "gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God". So if the second 'lord,' Jesus, is sitting next to the first 'Lord,' the triune godhead or two-thirds of it, or any aggregate of it, he cannot be part of it. That which exists outside of God cannot be God. In other words, you can't sit beside that which you are.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
July 18, 2018 at 8:24 am
(July 17, 2018 at 9:33 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (July 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Which is kind of the whole fucking point, MH. I bet Stevie can define it. Whatever some holy joe told him he will regurgitate back.
It's hard to be the True Christian.
It should be hard to be a Trinitarian too, especially with Jesus so confused Himself on the subject:
Matthew 28 (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Sounds like somebodies godhead has gone to His head . . . .
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