Us and God

[Mystic]

It's everyone including God's fault, right, never can be a fault of an Atheist for their Atheism. /summary of all Atheistic responses.

[Chad32]

I will give an example.

Allowing evil in the world is allowed for the Creator while he works with his system to overcome evil and eradicate it.

Humans are not allowed to stand by evil if they can change it,  humans who do so per Quran are attributed that evil, as is God, but in the case of God he has benevolent over all wise reasons to do so.

Part of that design by Creator is that humans been entrusted to fight off evil and alleviate suffering.

He allows evil just to give himself an opportunity to smite it, and get praise for it. That doesn't put him in a good light. Like a guy who allows someone to set a building on fire (or sets it on fire himself), so he can save the people inside.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's everyone including God's fault, right, never can be a fault of an Atheist for their Atheism. /summary of all Atheistic responses.

Who else's fault would "it" be?  Allah's in charge of everything and nothing happens that isn't his will....right?

  Maybe you should take that up with him, not that he'll listen to piece of livestock like yourself, lol. Hell, there's one place where I actually find agreement with your boyfriend.

[Mystic]

I will give an example.

Allowing evil in the world is allowed for the Creator while he works with his system to overcome evil and eradicate it.

Humans are not allowed to stand by evil if they can change it,  humans who do so per Quran are attributed that evil, as is God, but in the case of God he has benevolent over all wise reasons to do so.

Part of that design by Creator is that humans been entrusted to fight off evil and alleviate suffering.

He allows evil just to give himself an opportunity to smite it, and get praise for it. That doesn't put him in a good light. Like a guy who allows someone to set a building on fire (or sets it on fire himself), so he can save the people inside.

There is a beauty in learning to trust God in facing evil and dark magic, and there is an overwhelming strong bond that happens between a human overwhelmed by darkness but then praying to God and relying on his rope to find the way out. That and his chosen guides, their is a connection and bond that happens through them, that is worth this whole ordeal.

But the reason evil is here is because God is the foremost instance of a believer, and when Iblis challenged regarding us and our way of misguidance,  it didn't befit God to disbelieve in our capability either individually or as a people.  He believed in us but we have proven the opposite of the faith he placed in us.

What has happened, may seem to be inevitable due to our "human nature", but the Quran shows, is anything but that, but that as a race, we were over all defeated despite the probability was that we would be successful.

And certainly Adam who was a chosen image of God and name of God and anointed King and a Prophet, was not expected to fall. He was expected and all were expecting him to not eat of the tree.

What has happened is that a very unlikely scenario.   Diseases and illness were meant to be gone by now as well. 

It is what is, but it was never probable. This is one of the highly unlikely scenarios but it has come about.

The worse of what God saw as possible outcomes and one of the most unlikely scenarios, has taken place.


What are we to do now? We are to turn this worse case scenario and settling for it, and instead do our best to hasten the victory where God and his appointed King will rule the world and bring about justice and the balance and compassion and love we are always meant to have.

[The Grand Nudger]

But the reason evil is here is because God is the foremost instance of a believer, and when Iblis challenged regarding us and our way of misguidance,  it didn't befit God to disbelieve in our capability either individually or as a people.  He believed in us but we have proven the opposite of the faith he placed in us.

Put that on the long list of things Allah was wrong about..I guess? Guy's coming off like an idiot compared to his underlings, at this point.

Don't get me wrong, I have some sympathy..we've all had a dumb boss before, and it can't be easy being that guy.

[Chad32]

Adam was anointed king and prophet to who? Kind of hard to be a leader when you don't know right from wrong. Or good from evil.

[Mystic]

Adam was anointed king and prophet to who? Kind of hard to be a leader when you don't know right from wrong. Or good from evil.

To the hidden beings including Angels, and to the humans who would be born of him and to the humans who already occupied paradise and weren't to be tried like his offspring.

[The Grand Nudger]

[Minimalist]

The real question is what behavior is godly?

Apparently genocide is high on the list!

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

1 Sam. 15

[Chad32]

Adam was anointed king and prophet to who? Kind of hard to be a leader when you don't know right from wrong. Or good from evil.

To the hidden beings including Angels, and to the humans who would be born of him and to the humans who already occupied paradise and weren't to be tried like his offspring.

Not sure how he'd qualify, but I guess in the old days it was more who your daddy was than how skilled you'd be in such a position.