Arguing with Anti-Vaxxer friend

[The Valkyrie]

So, apparently the study concerns the adverse effects of aluminum adjuvants, a component found in some vaccines. Apparently, the reactions only occur in a few individuals.

Just to address the italicised words: In tiny amounts, well below what has shown to be harmful, and even at that to be on the safe side most vaccinations which previousaly contained them no longer do.

The "aluminium adjuvants" argument is common amongst anti-vaxxers and has as much validity as the "MMR causes autism" dog whistle.

Dog whistles cause autism.

Fact!

I KNOW because I just made it up!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Valk!  You’re a doctor!  You gotta give me more than jokes, woman! 😝

I’ve spent enough time arguing with anti-vaxxers to know that most are simply a lost cause like creationists.

Offer them peer reviewed evidence and they go on about conspiracies or everyone being paid off by “big pharma”.

Just ask your friend why he hates kids.

Spot on.  Not vaccinating children should be prosecuted as child endangerment.

Boru

[brewer]

The long and short of the article is that cells that make up some of your immune defenses collect the alum molecules and keep them stored for apparently long periods of time, and this has been a finding in some syndromes.

Mercury isn't even used in vaccines anymore other than trace amounts in I believe one of the tetanus vaccines.
I don't have an issue with the "one at a time" scheduling, as long as they are all done. At least she's willing to get vaccines.

I dunno. I don't usually get involved in an argument about this or anything else unless someone specifically asks for my opinion.

Plus the proposed autoimmune reaction has only been identified in specific HLA subtypes. The article states that the vast majority of immunized people remain healthy. 

That being said, the medical community/industry should probably continue to look at the effects of AL adjuvants.

[LadyForCamus]

Valk!  You’re a doctor!  You gotta give me more than jokes, woman! 😝

I’ve spent enough time arguing with anti-vaxxers to know that most are simply a lost cause like creationists.

Offer them peer reviewed evidence and they go on about conspiracies or everyone being paid off by “big pharma”.

Just ask your friend why he hates kids.

Yeah, she said her current doctor told her that most docs push the vaccines because they get money from the insurance companies, but that’s true for like...every medical procedure in existence, lol.  Why do people only focus on the vaccines?

[Mermaid]

Vaccines are apparently fun to blame for vague medical issues. A high school friend of mine is convinced her MS is because of some vaccine or another. (she isn't sure why, she's just sure it was a vaccine).

Polio has been *thisclose* to global eradication but it's never quite gotten there because of stupid rumors surrounding the vaccines.

[Pat Mustard]

I’ve spent enough time arguing with anti-vaxxers to know that most are simply a lost cause like creationists.

Offer them peer reviewed evidence and they go on about conspiracies or everyone being paid off by “big pharma”.

Just ask your friend why he hates kids.

Yeah, she said her current doctor told her that most docs push the vaccines because they get money from the insurance companies, but that’s true for like...every medical procedure in existence, lol.  Why do people only focus on the vaccines?

Her current doctor should be struck of the register if they actually said that.

[Fireball]

Yeah, she said her current doctor told her that most docs push the vaccines because they get money from the insurance companies, but that’s true for like...every medical procedure in existence, lol.  Why do people only focus on the vaccines?

Her current doctor should be struck of the register if they actually said that.

Right, I'd be more than a little surprised if a qualified doctor said that. Then again, Dr. Oz...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’ve spent enough time arguing with anti-vaxxers to know that most are simply a lost cause like creationists.

Offer them peer reviewed evidence and they go on about conspiracies or everyone being paid off by “big pharma”.

Just ask your friend why he hates kids.

Yeah, she said her current doctor told her that most docs push the vaccines because they get money from the insurance companies, but that’s true for like...every medical procedure in existence, lol.  Why do people only focus on the vaccines?

I rather suspect that doctors 'push the vaccines' because they don't want to see little children die.

Boru

[Mermaid]

I think there's also an element of success in this anti-vaccine movement. We have the luxury to complain about how corrupt Big Pharma is because we don't have these horrendous, preventable and/or eradicable diseases out there because of vaccines and medicines that cure and prevent them. It's easy to forget that we didn't even have antibiotics until not all that long ago, so if you had something like TB, you were basically fucked.

If people were still being wiped out by smallpox, I doubt anyone would object to getting their kids vaccinated for it.

[Nine]

You know, was wearing a new shirt I apparently didn't wash well enough, and I came out in a nasty rash.

Got me thinking. I'm so glad to be vaccinated against shit like measles and rubella.