What is that fat Orange fuck hiding ?

[onlinebiker]

Perhaps he is guilty of something.


Are you ready to shitcan the 5th Ammendment and compell people to testify agsinnst themselves?

Maybe he' s not guilty of anything. 

Are you willing to get rid of the 4th ammendment - so we can peek in anybody' s closet, anytime we like - because he might be guilty of something?

Yeah -the guy is a cunt. Is he REALLY so bad you' re willing to live in a police state - just to make him look bad?

[Yonadav]

 Whistleblowing isn't self deputizing and conducting an unlawful search and seizure.

So if Obama or Trump for that matter, in theory, were to target you as a civilian because you spoke out against them, even if you had done nothing wrong, and a Secret Service agent or the CIA caught wind of that, you'd want them to say, "oh well, he's the president, what are you going to do"?

By your logic the leaks that lead to uncovering Nixon should not have happened.

If your argument is that Whistleblowing can get political, I'd agree with that. But not all whistileblowing is.

Even outside politics, say at a workplace. Say you observe unsafe working practices, or your boss cooking the books, do you let it happen and let others get physically or financial hurt because of power and greed,  or do you say something to stop it?

Imagine if someone under Bernie Madoff had rated him out when he first started his Ponzy scheme? 40 billion dollars would still be in the hands of his investors and not him. Where is he now? Rightfully in prison where he belongs.

And you are having a massive argument with figments of your imagination, again. Let's say I work at the IRS and I have access to everyone's returns. I illegally make a copy of Trump's tax returns. I take them to Mueller and the New York investigators and offer them the returns. Do you know what they are going to do? They are going to refuse to look at them. They are going to arrest me.

[The Grand Nudger]

I doubt that the release of trumps tax returns will suddenly turn us into a police state..I mean, unless the mad king declares martial law in response, lol.

(..and why are we even saying "perhaps" at this point..it's not like president good brain hasn't just flat out admitted to obstruction of justice while cameras rolled.)

[SteelCurtain]

But also, Mueller had his returns a year and a half ago.

Be patient. You'll see them soon enough

[Fake Messiah]

Weird how applying for a minimum wage job employers can do a background check on you. But to be president of the most powerful nation on earth you don't even have to show your taxes.

Because the political system is corrupt:

[Pat Mustard]

Two reasons 1) the majority of his earnings have been either from criminal enterprise or the proceeds of crime, or 2) his earnings are way below what he says they are (just like one of his heroes Wilbur Ross).

It's both.

[Yonadav]

But also, Mueller had his returns a year and a half ago.

Be patient. You'll see them soon enough

We don't know that Mueller has his tax returns. There is pretty strong reason to believe that he does, though.

[Mister Agenda]

If he has nothing to hide, then why doesn't he just release his Tax Returns? Weird how applying for a minimum wage job employers can do a background check on you. But to be president of the most powerful nation on earth you don't even have to show your taxes.

My SO knows taxes and tax law.


She says "there' s no upside to him showing how much he made. Regardless of the numbers - his detractors will make a case that either 1. He' s making too much money. Or 2. He' s not making shit - what kinda lousy businessman is he???..


Keep in mind --- the IRS knows how much he makes - and they don't seem to have any issues about him not paying the correct amount.


So it makes sense that he doesn't show his hand.


He' s still an asshole, of course - just not a stupid asshole.

The only Americans he cares about are those in his base. They don't give a shit if he makes too much money.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or if that money turns out to be the proceeds of a criminal enterprise, honestly. Plenty of his base could use some dirty money of their very own.

He got cheers for relating the story of his ability to evade taxes. Criminality is a pro, not a con, for his base. He's their sort of criminal. Russian collusion and all, so long as it keeps dems and women and browns and other assorted godless commies out of the very white house.

[GODZILLA]

Can you imagine if someone working for the IRS stepped up and decided to take the bullet and leak his returns? That person would probably be in prison for the rest of their life. (Of course unless he was pardoned by a Democratic president) But can you imagine the balls that person would have to do that?

 Why would they do that? It is a crime, plain and simple. I wouldn't think that they had balls. I would think that they are a stupid criminal. And you think that a Democratic president might pardon them? Why? Because the law should be this arbitrary thing that we apply in accordance with our partisan bias? We can break the law and it's OK, but if someone on the other side of the partisan divide breaks the law we throw the freaking book at them?

Edward Snowden broke the law too. But he exposed something that needed to be exposed.