knives don't stab people people stab people!

[LastPoet]

I get so mortally tired of the nonsense that 'Guns are just tools.'  When I visit gun-nut sites, they're all posing with guns.  No one seems to be dressed  in camouflage holding a drill or a cross cut saw.

Boru

Or my chainsaw, that I swear I use only for gardening, etc. I also have an old school scythe, ya know like a memento from old grandma. I used to reap while she bundled and tied the fresh grass for her bovine friends.

Well, its blade is rusted. Good old times reaping

[Brian37]

The biggest thing uber billionaires want worldwide, to justify their greed, are social divisions. Knives nor guns would be an issue if there was economic stability for more. But if you sell fear and keep people economically desperate, anyone will pick up anything to justify violence to survive. Fear sells, but firearms are far easier to inflict damage on those you fear.

[I_am_not_mafia]

I must admit to seeing Drich call us 'self righteous douche bags' here in the UK quite funny when he doesn't even live here or can enjoy knowing that he can walk down the street without being shot, knows fuck all about our culture and if he did visit would probably be seen by everyone a complete and utter cock-womble. Not that any one would say that to him though. We'd all be polite smiles.

Drich knows fuck all about what violence means in the UK yet that doesn't stop him being angry about another country doing their own thing because AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

Twat.

[brewer]

Note to self: Bring throwing spiders when visiting London.

[Amarok]

onlinebiker

1.Knives aren't as effective as a gun for mass killing if they were armies would use them as a primary weapon 

2. Knives serve another purpose . Hell even combat knives are multi purpose , And no the fact you use a weapon SPECEFICALLY DESIGNED to kill people for purpose that's not killing means nothing .

Why you think that' s some sort of law of physics is beyond me.

WTF difference does it make what something is designed for? When some person wields it as a weapon - if IS a weapon.

The average Joe can kill more people with a big 4 wd truck - than they could with an AK47.


Look at the numbers killed. Bombs, planes and vehicles score higher than guns.

1. It makes a huge difference ones a weapon specifically designed ONLY  to kill people the other is a tool designed for multiple use the fact some misuses a knife is not the same as some using a weapon for what it was designed to do KILL PEOPLE !

2.Good luck getting that truck up a flight of stairs or gunning down 40 people from the 30th story of a building or sneaking it into a building with a truck or whipping it out and on the fly killing someone with it . Sorry pal a truck doesn't have the versatility a gun does so this attempt flops .

3. Sigh 

A, A plane hijacking requires either a ton of planning or piloting skills things a gun has no equivalent of and theirs a difference between hijacking a plane and using a gun you own .

B, A bomb is just as dangerous to builder and the results of makeshift devices are unstable and they require more patience   then your standard Sandy Hook nutcase has or your average rage killer nobody going to carry a bomb around under their clothes and whip it out to kill someone  , And it's already illegal to own a makeshift bomb .

C,And see above for mass murder with a vehicle

There is no weapon on your list that comparable to a gun . It's simply not enough to measure death counts.

[The Valkyrie]

If the fucking murdering prick in NZ, I mean the "suspect" had been carrying a knife or a sword instead of legally obtained firearms that were easily modified, there may have been fatalities in his attack but there would not have been fifty fucking people killed.

As far as I'm concerned, the NZ government, and the Aussie government before it, is handling the firearms issue the correct way.

There was an article recently on NZ media about an NZ farmer who has handed in his weapons, the same type as the cowardly scum, I mean "suspect", used.

He said he can achieve with his bolt action rifles and shotguns what he needs to around the farm. He said as much on social media, and immediately got grief from American gun nuts.

[onlinebiker]

Do you have any figures on how many of the deaths caused by planes and vehicles are deliberate?

Boru

Sept 11, 2001.

Over 3000 dead. Some boxcutters and airliners as weapons. No guns.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Do you have any figures on how many of the deaths caused by planes and vehicles are deliberate?

Boru

Sept 11, 2001.

Over 3000 dead. Some boxcutters and airliners as weapons. No guns.

Well, that was just awful.  But that's a single incident for a single reason - terrorism.  From 2001 through 2018, there have been less than 4000 USians killed as a result of terrorist attacks.  In 2016 alone, there were more than 14000 firearms homicides in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Interesting take away from that link.  In 2016, the total number of homicides in the US was 19362.  The number of homicides committed with firearms was 14415.  This seems to mean that just over 74% percent of homicides in the US involved firearms (this number specifically EXcludes suicides or accidents).


Would you care to adjust your argument?

Boru

[Amarok]

Sept 11, 2001.

Over 3000 dead. Some boxcutters and airliners as weapons. No guns.

Yup and tons of training pre planning and the support of an entire terrorist network and the fact they were not able to sneak any guns on board or if they had they would run the risk of decompressing the cabin . I love how you take these outlandish  hyper specific scenarios and try to compare them to the causal mass murder that can be carried out by alone shooter .

[The Valkyrie]

Do you have any figures on how many of the deaths caused by planes and vehicles are deliberate?

Boru

Sept 11, 2001.

Over 3000 dead. Some boxcutters and airliners as weapons. No guns.

And the laws and security levels were stepped up significantly afterwards to stop it happening again.