Nine killed in Dayton, Ohio

[EgoDeath]

This is why I believe the problem lies more within our culture than just in the fact that we have a lot of guns.

What I'd like to see is stricter background checks that involve an in-depth mental evaluation as well as every gun-owner going through a mandatory shooting and gun safety class.

Will this weed out the mass-shooters? Who's to say? I doubt the NRA will budge any time soon.

Thank you, Ego, for explaining what sort of reasonable gun control you'd like to see. I've heard a lot of people who claim that they're in favour of "Reasonable gun control" but think anything proposed is a bridge too far (and never explain what constitutes "reasonable gun control").

And I won't pretend to have the answers here. Anyone who does is fooling you, or themselves, or both. We certainly have a unique situation happening here in the States, not to mention tragic, but that's even more of a reason for us to tackle this immediately.

How many more kids or innocent adults have to die before we do something about this? It's very bizarre, to say the least, to see the Republicans place more value on guns than on innocent lives.

The thing is, no one I've ever met wants an all-out ban on guns; this us right wing rhetoric used to shoot for the moon and land among the stars, so to speak. I believe in the second amendment whole-heartedly, but at what point are we going to defend an archaic document and realize that, in 2019, something needs to change...?

[Javaman]

Why doesn't the US simply emulate the gun control legislation of other western democracies that aren't plagued by mass shootings?

I just don't get the 2A fetish so many right wing conservatives in the US have.

[Brian37]

Why doesn't the US simply emulate the gun control legislation of other western democracies that aren't plagued by mass shootings?

I just don't get the 2A fetish so many right wing conservatives in the US have.

Because we have a far far right minority on this issue, that has been scared shitless by the fear marketing of the firearm CEOs and their profit lobby NRA and NSSF.

Most firearm owners are on board with reducing firearm violence including over half of republicans. It is like having 70% nation of Martin Luther King Jrs and Malalas with 5% Dillon Roofs and Bin Laden's mentality scorched earth mentality"If I cant have you, nobody can", mentality.

There are 55 million firearm owners, but only 5 million NRA members, but even with those NRA members MOST, as I said are on board with doing something. So it really amounts to a very small sect of the right that is holding our nation hostage. 

40 year of fear marketing by the industry and lobbyists are why there are just enough to fuck things up.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is this new?

Yes, enacted Jan 1, 2015- Firearms Safety Certificate. I mis-wrote that- it's good for 5 years and then must be renewed. There was a Handgun Safety Certificate required before that, then it was updated to include long guns. I don't remember when the HSC was enacted.

Ah, thanks. My residence in SoCal was from 198(mumble) to later. Bought several pieces that were walk-in-walk-out purchases. (My license allowed for immediate possession.)

[Fireball]

Yes, enacted Jan 1, 2015- Firearms Safety Certificate. I mis-wrote that- it's good for 5 years and then must be renewed. There was a Handgun Safety Certificate required before that, then it was updated to include long guns. I don't remember when the HSC was enacted.

Ah, thanks. My residence in SoCal was from 198(mumble) to later. Bought several pieces that were walk-in-walk-out purchases. (My license allowed for immediate possession.)

I bought a pistol when I was stationed at Mare Island in '74. I had to wait some number of days, since I was not licensed for anything.

[onlinebiker]

Why doesn't the US simply emulate the gun control legislation of other western democracies that aren't plagued by mass shootings?

I just don't get the 2A fetish so many right wing conservatives in the US have.

Because we have a far far right minority on this issue, that has been scared shitless by the fear marketing of the firearm CEOs and their profit lobby NRA and NSSF.

Most firearm owners are on board with reducing firearm violence including over half of republicans. It is like having 70% nation of Martin Luther King Jrs and Malalas with 5% Dillon Roofs and Bin Laden's mentality scorched earth mentality"If I cant have you, nobody can", mentality.

There are 55 million firearm owners, but only 5 million NRA members, but even with those NRA members MOST, as I said are on board with doing something. So it really amounts to a very small sect of the right that is holding our nation hostage. 

40 year of fear marketing by the industry and lobbyists are why there are just enough to fuck things up.

Lol..

I find it funny you find gun owners fearful.

If shooting starts I'll be damned glad I have a gun on me. (I will probably wish i carried something bigger than the dinky .380 I have been carrying lately).

You on the other hand will simply shit yourself.

Who' s afraid?

[Anomalocaris]

Because we have a far far right minority on this issue, that has been scared shitless by the fear marketing of the firearm CEOs and their profit lobby NRA and NSSF.

Most firearm owners are on board with reducing firearm violence including over half of republicans. It is like having 70% nation of Martin Luther King Jrs and Malalas with 5% Dillon Roofs and Bin Laden's mentality scorched earth mentality"If I cant have you, nobody can", mentality.

There are 55 million firearm owners, but only 5 million NRA members, but even with those NRA members MOST, as I said are on board with doing something. So it really amounts to a very small sect of the right that is holding our nation hostage. 

40 year of fear marketing by the industry and lobbyists are why there are just enough to fuck things up.

Lol..

I find it funny you find gun owners fearful.

If shooting starts I'll be damned glad I have a gun on me. (I will probably wish i carried something bigger than the dinky .380 I have been carrying lately).

You on the other hand will simply shit yourself.

Who' s afraid?

When shooting start?

You have roughly 1 in 250,000 chance of being killed in a mass shooting incident each year.

The typical gun owner had a 1 in 70,000 chance of killing himself or a family member in a gun accident each year.   People who wear a gun regularly in a non-professional capacity probably has a far higher chance than those who keep their guns in a safe most of the time.

Out of fear of 1 in 250,000 chance of something bad, you embrace a cure that affords what for you is probably statistically considerably more than 1 in 70,000 chance of the same thing.

So who is so afraid he has become pissing in pants irrational?

[onlinebiker]

Lol..

I find it funny you find gun owners fearful.

If shooting starts I'll be damned glad I have a gun on me. (I will probably wish i carried something bigger than the dinky .380 I have been carrying lately).

You on the other hand will simply shit yourself.

Who' s afraid?

When shooting start?

You have roughly 1 in 250,000 chance of being killed in a mass shooting incident each year.

The typical gun owner had a 1 in 70,000 chance of killing himself or a family member in a gun accident each year.   People who wear a gun regularly in a non-professional capacity probably has a far higher chance than those who keep their guns in a safe most of the time.

Out of fear of 1 in 250,000 chance of something bad, you embrace a cure that affords what for you is probably statistically considerably more than 1 in 70,000 chance of the same thing.

So who is so afraid he has become pissing in pants irrational?

Bwaaahhahaha...

You just figured it out? Your chances of being involved in a mass shooting are very close to nil.. YET you're all ready to ban guns because of your hysteria about mass shootings.


I' m much more concerned with a couple of punks with knives deciding to carve me up in a parking lot - or some asshole road raging and deciding he needs to get out and beat somebody up.

I carry a gun for the same reason I wear a seatbelt - or a life jacket on a boat. I' m not afraid of crashing or sinking - but I am prepared should it happen.

[downbeatplumb]

Because we have a far far right minority on this issue, that has been scared shitless by the fear marketing of the firearm CEOs and their profit lobby NRA and NSSF.

Most firearm owners are on board with reducing firearm violence including over half of republicans. It is like having 70% nation of Martin Luther King Jrs and Malalas with 5% Dillon Roofs and Bin Laden's mentality scorched earth mentality"If I cant have you, nobody can", mentality.

There are 55 million firearm owners, but only 5 million NRA members, but even with those NRA members MOST, as I said are on board with doing something. So it really amounts to a very small sect of the right that is holding our nation hostage. 

40 year of fear marketing by the industry and lobbyists are why there are just enough to fuck things up.

Lol..

I find it funny you find gun owners fearful.

If shooting starts I'll be damned glad I have a gun on me. (I will probably wish i carried something bigger than the dinky .380 I have been carrying lately).

You on the other hand will simply shit yourself.

Who' s afraid?

Well people should be afraid of you as you are armed. In my country the police would hunt you down and possibly shoot you.

[Anomalocaris]

When shooting start?

You have roughly 1 in 250,000 chance of being killed in a mass shooting incident each year.

The typical gun owner had a 1 in 70,000 chance of killing himself or a family member in a gun accident each year.   People who wear a gun regularly in a non-professional capacity probably has a far higher chance than those who keep their guns in a safe most of the time.

Out of fear of 1 in 250,000 chance of something bad, you embrace a cure that affords what for you is probably statistically considerably more than 1 in 70,000 chance of the same thing.

So who is so afraid he has become pissing in pants irrational?

Bwaaahhahaha...

You just figured it out? Your chances of being involved in a mass shooting are very close to nil.. YET you're all ready to ban guns because of your hysteria about mass shootings.


I' m much more concerned with a couple of punks with knives deciding to carve me up in a parking lot - or some asshole road raging and deciding he needs to get out and beat somebody up.

I carry a gun for the same reason I wear a seatbelt - or a life jacket on a boat. I' m not afraid of crashing or sinking - but I am prepared should it happen.

I think the ratio of possibility of harm to possibility of good does recommend the wearing of seat belt or life jacket as suitable comparisons for the wearing of a gun.