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More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm
Hopefully it won't be as bad as it sounds, but I don't understand why this is even a thing.
"The Ohio House passed the “Student Religious Liberties Act.” Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-s...n-answers/
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 2:35 pm
(November 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm)brewer Wrote: Hopefully it won't be as bad as it sounds, but I don't understand why this is even a thing.
"The Ohio House passed the “Student Religious Liberties Act.” Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-s...n-answers/
Does that extend to history as well?
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 2:49 pm
It will be exactly as bad as it sounds, that's the intended effect, lol.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 2:49 pm
(November 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm)brewer Wrote: Hopefully it won't be as bad as it sounds, but I don't understand why this is even a thing.
"The Ohio House passed the “Student Religious Liberties Act.” Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ohio-s...n-answers/
Yeah, it's not as bad as it sounds. The actual bill says 'Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work'. It doesn't say they can give wrong answers based on their religious belief and not be marked off for it.
As an example, suppose an exam question is 'Which element has the atomic number of 6?' If a student answers, 'Carbon, because Jesus is Lord' she wouldn't be marked off. If she answers, 'Lead, because Jesus is Lord', she would get marked off. Religious content in your answers are immaterial as to whether the question is right or wrong.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 3:04 pm
I don't know who they think they're helping. Willful ignorance is no excuse. If you refuse to learn, you fail, and don't deserve a diploma.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 3:50 pm
(November 19, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I don't know who they think they're helping. Willful ignorance is no excuse. If you refuse to learn, you fail, and don't deserve a diploma.
There is nothing in the bill about willful ignorance. What it says is that students' work won't be graded differently because of religious content. As long as they get the answer right, it won't change their grade if they sprinkle in words like 'Jehovah' or 'salvation' or 'nirvana'. And - equally importantly - it won't change their grade if they don't include such words.
A right answer is a right answer irrespective of religious content.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 4:01 pm
Ok. I guess I should have read a little deeper. Sorry.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm
(November 19, 2019 at 3:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 19, 2019 at 3:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I don't know who they think they're helping. Willful ignorance is no excuse. If you refuse to learn, you fail, and don't deserve a diploma.
There is nothing in the bill about willful ignorance. What it says is that students' work won't be graded differently because of religious content. As long as they get the answer right, it won't change their grade if they sprinkle in words like 'Jehovah' or 'salvation' or 'nirvana'. And - equally importantly - it won't change their grade if they don't include such words.
A right answer is a right answer irrespective of religious content.
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But will religious content be taken into account by the people doing the grading? This appears to give them an opening.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 4:37 pm
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(November 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm)brewer Wrote: (November 19, 2019 at 3:50 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There is nothing in the bill about willful ignorance. What it says is that students' work won't be graded differently because of religious content. As long as they get the answer right, it won't change their grade if they sprinkle in words like 'Jehovah' or 'salvation' or 'nirvana'. And - equally importantly - it won't change their grade if they don't include such words.
A right answer is a right answer irrespective of religious content.
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But will religious content be taken into account by the people doing the grading? This appears to give them an opening.
No. The law specifically prevents them from doing so. The can neither reward nor punish a student for religious content. In fact, in the Snopes article, a hypothetical is given. Suppose a student turns in an essay in biology class, claiming that the Earth is 10 000 years old and dinosaurs lived with people and all the other creationists nonsense. That student WOULD receive a lower grade, because the essay doesn't reflect what's being taught in class.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 19, 2019 at 4:39 pm
(November 19, 2019 at 4:37 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (November 19, 2019 at 4:20 pm)brewer Wrote: But will religious content be taken into account by the people doing the grading? This appears to give them an opening.
No. The law specifically prevents them from doing so. The can neither reward nor punish a student for religious content.
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To a teacher with religion what is "calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance"?
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