The code that is DNA

[John 6IX Breezy]

I did not suggest ALL speciation takes deep time. Otherwise it would not be observed in the lab (Lenski) or in fish populations. From the LCA to now is a different matter. Don’t quote papers out of context with this discussion.

That wasn't a paper that was a textbook. It doesn't matter what things you meant to suggest deep time applies to, time is not the distinguishing factor between micro and macroevolution. Everything takes time; it's like saying the difference between a bath and a shower is the time people spend taking them.

[JackRussell]

No. Your analogy is flawed and textbooks are for beginners, I prefer the latest science.

Do you think Latin speakers turned into French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian speakers in a day?

[Yukon_Jack]

Sungula spouts off an accusation and CANT back it up

Nope i stated a fact back by the fact he did 

So now my turn:

By all means

“Sungula cheated on his taxes and robbed an elderly woman”

Yeah well that never happened unlike Tours straw man .Which is of course why his doesn't bother me .

Don’t bother to ask me how I know this.

Had to know something that never happened .Unlike Tour whom i watched do so . 

I just stand by it

All right then you stand by that thing that never happened and i'll stand by the thing that did happen .I think that makes us both happy .

You talk like a juvenile, no offense, so until you can back something up, you should refrain from posting meaningless accusations.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still murdering irony, are we?

[The Architect Of Fate]

You talk like a juvenile, 

Considering i'm not speaking i'm writing that's had to believe  

no offense,

How can i take offence to something that's not true?

 so until you can back something up, you should refrain from posting meaningless accusations.

No i think i'll keep stating the facts thank you

[John 6IX Breezy]

No. Your analogy is flawed and textbooks are for beginners, I prefer the latest science.

Do you think Latin speakers turned into French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian speakers in a day?

Textbooks are how new generations of scientists learn their trade. That's why Thomas Kuhn used them as qualitative data for his philosophy of science, to observe paradigm shifts and revolutions in science:

"These textbooks expound the body of accepted theory, illustrate many or all of its successful applications, and compare these applications with exemplary observations and experiments" (Kuhn, 1970, p. 10).

No, Latin didn't turn to French in a day; the length of time, however, is irrelevant when it comes to identifying that transition. If you can provide the specific amount of time (e.g. "2 million years") that is used as a yardstick by "the latest science" to distinguish microevolution from macroevolution, I'll withdraw my argument.

Reference: Kuhn, Thomas S. (1970). The structure of scientific revolutions. Chicago: University of Chicago Press

[The Grand Nudger]

There is no specific amount of time, because speciatation does not operate on uniform timetables. This is due to a range of factors, not the least of which being the reproductive cycle of any given species-come-genus, or...if we prefer, clade. Macroevolution can (and does) occur faster for flies than primates. They fuck faster, and more often.

I know, I know, so complicated.....

[The Architect Of Fate]

I love how he thinks quotes make him look informed .While repeating creationist rhetoric .

[JackRussell]

Gas is ahead of me.

I love to hear a creationist quoting Hume, try some Popper.

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Sorry typo. Gae Bolga is ahead of me. No offence meant.

[The Grand Nudger]

You gotta be quick to beat a no lifer like me.

I'd add to the above...that it takes different amounts of time to bake the same cake based on the altitude of the oven, as well. The underlying assumption required to ask the initial question is positively absurd. May as well ask how long it takes a teenager girl to get ready for a date.

-and yet, still, the only thing separating micro and macro evolution is time. At the end of the day, or a very long series of them, speciation is inevitable. Copying errors alone will eventually produce reproductive incompatibility. This is drift, in a nutshell. We're not sure that drift amounts to much in the face of other speciation pressures, but even if every other pressure was Wrong and Ungood™...there would still be drift. The items contained under the header of Modern Synth are so individually strong that toppling one or more of them would not meaningfully change our picture of how biology operates.

Or, you know, the meatfairy did it. Played in the dirt, muttered a cantrip...did cpr to a golem. 50/50