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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 20, 2019 at 5:10 pm)JackRussell Wrote: I did not suggest ALL speciation takes deep time. Otherwise it would not be observed in the lab (Lenski) or in fish populations. From the LCA to now is a different matter. Don’t quote papers out of context with this discussion.

That wasn't a paper that was a textbook. It doesn't matter what things you meant to suggest deep time applies to, time is not the distinguishing factor between micro and macroevolution. Everything takes time; it's like saying the difference between a bath and a shower is the time people spend taking them.
RE: The code that is DNA
No. Your analogy is flawed and textbooks are for beginners, I prefer the latest science.

Do you think Latin speakers turned into French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian speakers in a day?
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 20, 2019 at 5:11 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
Quote:Sungula spouts off an accusation and CANT back it up
Nope i stated a fact back by the fact he did 

Quote:So now my turn:
By all means


Quote:“Sungula cheated on his taxes and robbed an elderly woman”
Yeah well that never happened unlike Tours straw man .Which is of course why his doesn't bother me .


Quote:Don’t bother to ask me how I know this.
Had to know something that never happened .Unlike Tour whom i watched do so . 


Quote:I just stand by it
All right then you stand by that thing that never happened and i'll stand by the thing that did happen .I think that makes us both happy .

You talk like a juvenile, no offense, so until you can back something up, you should refrain from posting meaningless accusations.
RE: The code that is DNA
Still murdering irony, are we?
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RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:You talk like a juvenile, 
Considering i'm not speaking i'm writing that's had to believe  




Quote:no offense,
How can i take offence to something that's not true?



Quote: so until you can back something up, you should refrain from posting meaningless accusations.
No i think i'll keep stating the facts thank you
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 20, 2019 at 5:30 pm)JackRussell Wrote: No. Your analogy is flawed and textbooks are for beginners, I prefer the latest science.

Do you think Latin speakers turned into French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian speakers in a day?

Textbooks are how new generations of scientists learn their trade. That's why Thomas Kuhn used them as qualitative data for his philosophy of science, to observe paradigm shifts and revolutions in science:

"These textbooks expound the body of accepted theory, illustrate many or all of its successful applications, and compare these applications with exemplary observations and experiments" (Kuhn, 1970, p. 10).

No, Latin didn't turn to French in a day; the length of time, however, is irrelevant when it comes to identifying that transition. If you can provide the specific amount of time (e.g. "2 million years") that is used as a yardstick by "the latest science" to distinguish microevolution from macroevolution, I'll withdraw my argument.

Reference: Kuhn, Thomas S. (1970). The structure of scientific revolutions. Chicago: University of Chicago Press
RE: The code that is DNA
There is no specific amount of time, because speciatation does not operate on uniform timetables. This is due to a range of factors, not the least of which being the reproductive cycle of any given species-come-genus, or...if we prefer, clade. Macroevolution can (and does) occur faster for flies than primates. They fuck faster, and more often.

I know, I know, so complicated.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: The code that is DNA
I love how he thinks quotes make him look informed .While repeating creationist rhetoric .
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”

[Image: flag-ukraine_1f1fa-1f1e6.png]  Heart [Image: canada-google.png]        

 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
RE: The code that is DNA
Gas is ahead of me.

I love to hear a creationist quoting Hume, try some Popper.

Sorry typo. Gae Bolga is ahead of me. No offence meant.
RE: The code that is DNA
You gotta be quick to beat a no lifer like me. Wink

I'd add to the above...that it takes different amounts of time to bake the same cake based on the altitude of the oven, as well. The underlying assumption required to ask the initial question is positively absurd. May as well ask how long it takes a teenager girl to get ready for a date.

-and yet, still, the only thing separating micro and macro evolution is time. At the end of the day, or a very long series of them, speciation is inevitable. Copying errors alone will eventually produce reproductive incompatibility. This is drift, in a nutshell. We're not sure that drift amounts to much in the face of other speciation pressures, but even if every other pressure was Wrong and Ungood™...there would still be drift. The items contained under the header of Modern Synth are so individually strong that toppling one or more of them would not meaningfully change our picture of how biology operates.

Or, you know, the meatfairy did it. Played in the dirt, muttered a cantrip...did cpr to a golem. 50/50
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!



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