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[Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 5:42 pm
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The Quran is an ancient book; Islam dictates that the Quran is the direct word of God, and moreover it dictates that the book was neither twisted nor changed through the years.
It's a one heavy premise, archeology though dropped its weight on the matter; so let's see how the premise fairs against it.
1) Birmingham Quran manuscript (Radiocarbon date: 568 and 645 CE)
Held in the University of Birmingham, it's a parchment on which two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript were written; now I leave you with the wikipedia link containing all the sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham...manuscript
Quote:The Birmingham Quran manuscript is a parchment on which two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript are written. In 2015 the manuscript, which is held by the University of Birmingham,[1] was radiocarbon dated to between 568 and 645 CE (in the Islamic calendar, between 56 BH and 25 AH).[2][3] It is part of the Mingana Collection of Middle Eastern manuscripts, held by the university's Cadbury Research Library.[2]
This very old Quran -which is identical to what we have today- is the ultimate proof that the premise did fair against the odds.
As a side note; this is one group of verses in it -identical to what I read now-:
Quote:The leaves preserve parts of Surahs 18 (Al-Kahf) to 20 (Taha).[4]
Quote:
Sura 20, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 1 ) Ta, Ha.
( 2 ) We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed
( 3 ) But only as a reminder for those who fear [Allah] -
( 4 ) A revelation from He who created the earth and highest heavens,
( 5 ) The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.
Another note; I thank Britain and its scientific community for keeping this priceless piece of history preserved.
Quote:It was on display at the University of Birmingham in 2015 and then at Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery until 5 August 2016.[5]
Thank you.
2) Sanaa manuscript (Radiocarbon date: 578 CE and 669 CE with a 95% accuracy.[4])
Quote:The Sanaa palimpsest (also Ṣanʽā’ 1 or DAM 01-27.1) is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_manuscript
These old fragments containing the same Quran I read today is an evidence that the premise was satisfied. The Quran we have today is the same since 1400 years.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 5:47 pm
And that literally proves nothing
"Change was inevitable"
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 5:53 pm
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(December 22, 2019 at 5:47 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: And that literally proves nothing
The Quran is the same. It never changes.
But what about the other books that Muslim Shiite and Sunni institutions throw at us? isn't the mess they made is on a valley, and the Quran along with its laws is on another valley?
Isn't it a lie to even give them respect or listen to them? the Quran never needs another book with it; it's the direct preserved word of God.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:06 pm
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How do you suppose the anemic, finite, mortal mind could communicate with the supreme mind of infinity without any mistranslations?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:16 pm
(December 22, 2019 at 6:06 pm)no one Wrote: How do you suppose the anemic, finite, mortal mind could communicate with the supreme mind of infinity without any mistranslations?
I would say the received message is the key. The supreme entity must initiate the communication -being supreme-; he did so by revealing the Quran.
The second step falls on the finite mortal mind to receive the message, then either execute it or reject it.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm
Then it's not the direct word of god, is it?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm
(December 22, 2019 at 5:53 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (December 22, 2019 at 5:47 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: And that literally proves nothing
The Quran is the same. It never changes.
But what about the other books that Muslim Shiite and Sunni institutions throw at us? isn't the mess they made is on a valley, and the Quran along with its laws is on another valley?
Isn't it a lie to even give them respect or listen to them? the Quran never needs another book with it; it's the direct preserved word of God.
Not that it makes a shit bit of difference but there appears to be scholars that disagree with you.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:38 pm
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(December 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm)brewer Wrote: (December 22, 2019 at 5:53 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The Quran is the same. It never changes.
But what about the other books that Muslim Shiite and Sunni institutions throw at us? isn't the mess they made is on a valley, and the Quran along with its laws is on another valley?
Isn't it a lie to even give them respect or listen to them? the Quran never needs another book with it; it's the direct preserved word of God.
Not that it makes a shit bit of difference but there appears to be scholars that disagree with you.
They have the right to disagree with me, but they should never threaten my life -or the life of others- because of this disagreement.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:51 pm
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And, absolutely none of that is evidence of the claim that the Quran is the direct word of a god. You cannot prove the truth of a book using the book. That is circular reasoning. You’re more like MK than you think.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: Quranic manuscripts from 1400 years
December 22, 2019 at 6:52 pm
(December 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm)no one Wrote: Then it's not the direct word of god, is it?
Winner!
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
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