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[Quranic reflection]: What is time?
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[Quranic reflection]: What is time?
Our life is composed of three main sections:

1-past
2-present
3-future

The past can be discovered by the tracks it left on our present.
Though, the future is always locked, we can only discover it by waiting for it to happen and get turned into a present, then a past.

Scientific discoveries proved though that all 3 sections actually exist on the same plain; the most famous theory for that discovery was for Albert Einstein, he once wrote: 


Quote:People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. 

In other words: time is only an illusion according to Einstein.
But if time was an illusion, then how do we age? everything has a timeline; it's impossible to live without thinking of time.
From here I concluded that it's not a problem of the existence of time; but a problem of "deciding" what is the universal clock of the universe.
Humans agreed to make their time connected to the sunrise and sunset, alternatively: our time is relative to the existence of the sun in our sky.
If the sun ceases to exist, you'll use another star and make another similar time system. But what if all stars went dark? 

In the Quran, God says:


Quote:Sura 10, Verse 5:
https://quran.com/10?startingVerse=5

It is He who made the sun a shining radiance and the moon a light, determining phases for it so that you might know the number of years and how to calculate time. God did not create all these without a true purpose; He explains His signs to those who understand.

[color=var(--color-text-faded)]— Abdul Haleem[/color]

Time exists as long as there is a medium emitting light, like a star. Or there is something else that is light in itself, like God in Islam -who is the light of of heaven and earth-.

The real time of the universe is the time of God, since he is the light of heaven and earth.
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#2
RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
Nope.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
(July 28, 2022 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Time exists as long as there is a medium emitting light, like a star. Or there is something else that is light in itself, like God in Islam -who is the light of of heaven and earth-.

The above? No. Definitely, categorically wrong.

Popcorn

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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
(July 28, 2022 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Our life is composed of three main sections:

1-past
2-present
3-future

The past can be discovered by the tracks it left on our present.
Though, the future is always locked, we can only discover it by waiting for it to happen and get turned into a present, then a past.

Scientific discoveries proved though that all 3 sections actually exist on the same plain; the most famous theory for that discovery was for Albert Einstein, he once wrote: 


Quote:People like us who believe in physics know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. 

In other words: time is only an illusion according to Einstein.
But if time was an illusion, then how do we age? everything has a timeline; it's impossible to live without thinking of time.
From here I concluded that it's not a problem of the existence of time; but a problem of "deciding" what is the universal clock of the universe.
Humans agreed to make their time connected to the sunrise and sunset, alternatively: our time is relative to the existence of the sun in our sky.
If the sun ceases to exist, you'll use another star and make another similar time system. But what if all stars went dark? 

In the Quran, God says:


Quote:Sura 10, Verse 5:
https://quran.com/10?startingVerse=5

It is He who made the sun a shining radiance and the moon a light, determining phases for it so that you might know the number of years and how to calculate time. God did not create all these without a true purpose; He explains His signs to those who understand.

[color=var(--color-text-faded)]— Abdul Haleem[/color]

Time exists as long as there is a medium emitting light, like a star. Or there is something else that is light in itself, like God in Islam -who is the light of of heaven and earth-.

The real time of the universe is the time of God, since he is the light of heaven and earth.

(Bold mine)

The moon is not in any way ‘a light’. Since the Quran can get such a basic fact of science wrong, maybe you should stop trying to establish its scientific credentials.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
Got one telling us it's a lightbulb, the other convinced it's a doughball. Seems like islam might have some sort of effect on the human brain.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
(July 28, 2022 at 4:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Got one telling us it's a lightbulb, the other convinced it's a doughball.  Seems like islam might have some sort of effect on the human brain.

If Mohammad (peas be upon him!) had told us that Allah made the moon a mirror, Winter might have a case. He didn’t, so he doesn’t.

This feels like the plasma thing all over again.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
(July 28, 2022 at 1:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 28, 2022 at 1:09 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Our life is composed of three main sections:

1-past
2-present
3-future

The past can be discovered by the tracks it left on our present.
Though, the future is always locked, we can only discover it by waiting for it to happen and get turned into a present, then a past.

Scientific discoveries proved though that all 3 sections actually exist on the same plain; the most famous theory for that discovery was for Albert Einstein, he once wrote: 



In other words: time is only an illusion according to Einstein.
But if time was an illusion, then how do we age? everything has a timeline; it's impossible to live without thinking of time.
From here I concluded that it's not a problem of the existence of time; but a problem of "deciding" what is the universal clock of the universe.
Humans agreed to make their time connected to the sunrise and sunset, alternatively: our time is relative to the existence of the sun in our sky.
If the sun ceases to exist, you'll use another star and make another similar time system. But what if all stars went dark? 

In the Quran, God says:



Time exists as long as there is a medium emitting light, like a star. Or there is something else that is light in itself, like God in Islam -who is the light of of heaven and earth-.

The real time of the universe is the time of God, since he is the light of heaven and earth.

(Bold mine)

The moon is not in any way ‘a light’. Since the Quran can get such a basic fact of science wrong, maybe you should stop trying to establish its scientific credentials.

Boru

The Arabic word used to describe the sun in the verse is "سراج" = Lantern, and the moon a "light" = "نور", which makes the meaning stand clear: the sun "emits light like a lantern", while the moon is just "a light".

We know today that the moon is just a "light" because it reflects what comes from the lantern; i.e the sun.

It's hard to stop now because the previous 9 years in this forum + watching and reading tons of material didn't break the Quran.
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
Sounds like the kind of ignorant shit a 6th or 7th century nomad would say, sure?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: What is time?
(July 28, 2022 at 5:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(July 28, 2022 at 4:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Got one telling us it's a lightbulb, the other convinced it's a doughball.  Seems like islam might have some sort of effect on the human brain.

If Mohammad (peas be upon him!) had told us that Allah made the moon a mirror, Winter might have a case. He didn’t, so he doesn’t.

This feels like the plasma thing all over again.

Boru

I think you are just misunderstanding the reference to the sun as a "lantern" and the moon as a mere "light".

Here's another verse that makes the meaning stand out:

Quote:Sura 71, The Quran:
https://quran.com/71?startingVerse=16

(16) placed the moon as a light in them and the sun as a lamp,

[color=var(--color-text-faded)]— Abdul Haleem[/color]
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