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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 2:49 pm
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Mercy can be evil.
Anywho, you're still bitching bout the great statan, but with no cause or justification. Torture is justifiable, says you, so go cry into your cup for a few more centuries and then wave the red white and blue.
Vae victus.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 2:55 pm
(February 21, 2020 at 2:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (February 21, 2020 at 1:53 pm)Chad32 Wrote: If we can't relate to him, how can we connect with him, and care about him? We can relate to other people, and support them, and thus they can support us. We need them in that sense. This god that we can't communicate with directly, and connect with and empathize with, is not something we need. Especially if he's as evil as you're making him out to be. He tortures people who don't do exactly what he wants, and what he wants can't be achieved, so we're just left with begging him not to hurt us.
He has not revealed anything, since we're still bickering about who he is, and what he does thousands of years after he supposedly started telling people to write about him.
We can relate to ourselves though; knowing what hurts us and what is good for us. I'm not making him "evil" since I said explicitly that he is merciful; but if you translate "justice" to "evil" then that is your damaged vocabulary.
He did reveal, and billions believed in his revelation; blaming the war that is burning between "believers" and "non-believers" on the first party is not fair; especially when we compare the body-count each party dropped -with your party winning the contest with the invention of atomic weapons and causing two mass extinctions on two whole continents -the Americas-.
You told me it's in his nature to torture people, and that he isn't concerned about pleasure. You may not believe that means he's evil, but to most of us that's pretty evil. I don't care if he's merciful to some. Being merciful to some, while torturing others, does not make you not evil. setting people on fire is not a form of justice. You can punish people proportionately, without torturing them.
Billions have believed, and trillions have not. Your god isn't doing a very good job at getting his message across. I guess he needs to fill a torture quota, and if he does too good a job, he won't have an excuse to cause pain and suffering.
Yes, we invented nukes, used them, and caused a lot of undue suffering. And we still haven't killed or tortured as much as your god, who has supposedly been at this for thousands of years. If not millions.
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February 21, 2020 at 3:03 pm
(February 21, 2020 at 2:31 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (February 21, 2020 at 2:22 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Torture Boners' would be a great name for a band.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 3:17 pm
(February 21, 2020 at 2:55 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (February 21, 2020 at 2:46 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: We can relate to ourselves though; knowing what hurts us and what is good for us. I'm not making him "evil" since I said explicitly that he is merciful; but if you translate "justice" to "evil" then that is your damaged vocabulary.
He did reveal, and billions believed in his revelation; blaming the war that is burning between "believers" and "non-believers" on the first party is not fair; especially when we compare the body-count each party dropped -with your party winning the contest with the invention of atomic weapons and causing two mass extinctions on two whole continents -the Americas-.
You told me it's in his nature to torture people, and that he isn't concerned about pleasure. You may not believe that means he's evil, but to most of us that's pretty evil. I don't care if he's merciful to some. Being merciful to some, while torturing others, does not make you not evil. setting people on fire is not a form of justice. You can punish people proportionately, without torturing them.
Billions have believed, and trillions have not. Your god isn't doing a very good job at getting his message across. I guess he needs to fill a torture quota, and if he does too good a job, he won't have an excuse to cause pain and suffering.
Yes, we invented nukes, used them, and caused a lot of undue suffering. And we still haven't killed or tortured as much as your god, who has supposedly been at this for thousands of years. If not millions.
He inflicts torture but with "justice" as a constraint. "Mercy" has many forms that pleasure is one of them. He is merciful to all, but if the line he drew and warned creatures to cross is crossed then the "justice" of God must be, and it also has many forms that torture is one of them.
It was never a concept stated in the Quran that the majority will believe. In fact the opposite was mentioned:
Quote:Sura 12, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=12_103&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
( 102 ) That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal, [O Muhammad], to you. And you were not with them when they put together their plan while they conspired.
( 103 ) And most of the people, although you strive [for it], are not believers.
So religiously, I sleep at night knowing that "most people even if I strive for it are not believers".
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 3:18 pm
(February 21, 2020 at 2:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Bluegrass.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 3:19 pm
To those who believe they're mutually exclusive let me extract my original thought. I love my son, unconditionally. I hate some of the things he does. He is, to me, a unique person and also the sum of his actions/thoughts/etc. Therefore I both love him and can hate him(by hating what he does). I don't believe any amount of bad actions could make me not love him, therefore Love supersedes. I believe mercy and justice work the same way. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's just our instinctive answer. The opposite of love and hate (both) are apathy. You can be loved or unloved which is a degree of feeling. there can be justice or injustice which is a degree on a very subjective scale. You can scope the problem at the individual or a society. So what is the ultimate opposite of justice? With enough injustice, a total devaluing of the individual would be base level, therefore I believe the opposite of injustice is the total debasement of the individual. Mercy requires, by definition, a high value of the individual and that's why I don't think it can be the opposite.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm
My own view is that the opposite of love is grief, these are the most powerful emotions a person can experience as far as I'm aware.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 6:57 pm
(February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: My own view is that the opposite of love is grief, these are the most powerful emotions a person can experience as far as I'm aware.
The opposite of love is loneliness. Grief is a powerful emotion like love, but loneliness is a desolation of the soul.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 21, 2020 at 8:29 pm
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Mercy requires no value of any specific individual. It's a metric of individual affection and leniency. Even conceptually, mercy is valuable not because of what it does or to whom, but because it's merciful. Guilt and complicity cry out for mercy knowing that all but mercy would be worse. That mercy, is not what they deserve.
You god bothering motherfuckers worry me. You're always telling us that terrible people will get mercy and decent people will be obliterated.
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RE: Hell is justified.
February 22, 2020 at 4:58 am
(February 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: My own view is that the opposite of love is grief, these are the most powerful emotions a person can experience as far as I'm aware.
Love's opposite is hate; it's the very well known -and official- antonym of the word.
It's not even the topic of discussion in this topic; i.e the OP is not discussing the "hypothetical parallel meanings of famous words". In other words: discuss the OP; it's better for the reader.
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