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RE: India Plate
May 5, 2020 at 11:14 am
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(May 5, 2020 at 12:29 am)Haipule Wrote: Thank you. Yeah, I know I'm crazy but, what puzzles me is the vast cultural and ethnic differences between the two plates which I don't need to prove.
No real puzzle. There's a big damned mountain range isolating them from the rest of the world. They might as well be an island in the middle of the Pacific.
Have a look at this map of the Indo-Aryan languages:
![[Image: Major_Indo-Aryan_languages.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Major_Indo-Aryan_languages.png)
It's no coincidence that they all stop at the Himalya. The Indo-Aryan languages are a sub-group of the Indo-Iranian languages, which do span the Himalya. Shown here in blue, they're spoken throughout a broad portion of the Middle-East.
![[Image: 800px-Indo-European_branches_map.svg.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Indo-European_branches_map.svg/800px-Indo-European_branches_map.svg.png)
Those in turn belong to the Indo-European family of languages, shown in the map above in all the other lovely colours and spoken from Iceland through to the eastern coast of Russia. What they aren't related to is anything from Africa. By tracing the language you can show that the cultures in India are not related to those in Africa. They're much more closely related to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iran.
Quote:Yes the ocean floor became the Himalayas which is a huge divide. But, it appears these peoples where already there on both sides with the ability of complex language.
No, they weren't. They most likely migrated in from the fertile crescent (modern day Iran and Iraq) long after India had docked with Asia and the Himalya had been thrown up.
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RE: India Plate
May 5, 2020 at 11:20 am
The mountains didn't isolate them from Alexander the Great's boys.
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RE: India Plate
May 5, 2020 at 11:53 am
(May 5, 2020 at 12:29 am)Haipule Wrote: Yes the ocean floor became the Himalayas which is a huge divide. But, it appears these peoples where already there on both sides with the ability of complex language. The Himalaya formed ca. 40-50my ago. The oldest "homo" (aka. species that is not entirely an ape, but far from being a "human" with spoken language) is ca. 2.5my ago.
Gorillas separated from other apes ca. 6.5-8my ago.
The "apes" (which include, homo, pan, gorilla, and Orangutan) speciated ca. 15-18my ago.
So how can i put it?.....yeah: Not even wrong.
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RE: India Plate
May 5, 2020 at 10:18 pm
A slow ride to India where you can still hop off anytime in the first few million years. :-)
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 9:49 am
(May 5, 2020 at 11:20 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The mountains didn't isolate them from Alexander the Great's boys.
No, it didn't. There are ways in and out, it's just that they're bottlenecks. To the west you have arid, mountainous regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan. To the east the jungles of the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. Neither are easy migration routes and anybody trying them finds that the people who migrated there first have set up a thriving civilization in the fertile lands of India and are more than capable of repelling invaders.
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 10:04 am
How long did it take Marco Polo to do the China run, in either direction?
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 10:12 am
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About the time it took for the plate to move two feet. It's a wonder he found the place, or his way back, what with how nothing was where it was before.
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 10:25 am
(May 6, 2020 at 10:12 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: About the time it took for the plate to move two feet. It's a wonder he found the place, or his way back, what with how nothing was where it was before.
Eh?
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 11:24 am
24 years for Marco Polo journey, plates moving an average of an inch a year.
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RE: India Plate
May 6, 2020 at 12:18 pm
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(May 6, 2020 at 11:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: 24 years for Marco Polo journey, plates moving an average of an inch a year.
That’s a 2 way journey, with a 20 year sojourn in and about China in the middle.
As it turns out, when Indian subcontinent was actually moving north towards its rendezvous with Asia, it experienced some of the fastest plate movement ever seen in geology. Recent estimate says it was doing 11 inches a year before the docking with Asia occurred. It is still moving north at significantly higher than 1 inch a year. The exceptional speed of the movement of India continent into Asia is a main reason why on average the Himalayas are so tall. If India has move slower, the material would be fed into the tectonic pile up slower, and the equilibrium between mountain building and erosion would have been reached at generally lower average altitude.
(May 6, 2020 at 9:49 am)Paleophyte Wrote: (May 5, 2020 at 11:20 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The mountains didn't isolate them from Alexander the Great's boys.
No, it didn't. There are ways in and out, it's just that they're bottlenecks. To the west you have arid, mountainous regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan. To the east the jungles of the Indo-Chinese Peninsula. Neither are easy migration routes and anybody trying them finds that the people who migrated there first have set up a thriving civilization in the fertile lands of India and are more than capable of repelling invaders.
The first homo sapiens to reach India may well have followed either a coastal route or even a maritime route. What is clear is Homo sapiens reaches Andoman islands in the Indian Ocean a very long time ago, possibly 60,000+ years ago.
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