Are lockdowns justified?

[FlatAssembler]

In fact, when people act rationally and abide by the protocol, the protocols work.  So there we have our difference in point of view.  You blame irrational behavior on a rational measure.  I blame those who act irrationally.  

The failure of communism can conceiveably be blamed on people not acting rationally. But even if we had a proof communism would work if everybody was rational... that does not mean we should try to implement communism. And the same goes for lockdowns (and I believe for quite a few things, including eating meat: If human beings were not irrationally attracted to short-term profits above sustainability, antibiotic resistance would not be a problem with the meat industry.). Sure, it is not exactly the same thing. Whether lockdowns could work in a perfectly rational society is a matter of hard science, while whether communism would work in it is a matter of soft science. But the principle remains the same.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[LadyForCamus]

You think that vitamin d deficiency, and not covid.......killed half a million americans out of the blue?

No, I am saying that many studies show Vitamin D deficiency makes COVID worse. And lockdowns obviously contribute to Vitamin D deficiency.

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The only ways to get enough Vitamin D is by being on the sun or by supplements. You cannot get enough of it from food, except perhaps from some mushrooms (probably not even from them). Lockdowns make people spend less time on the sun. And the vast majority of people don't take Vitamin D supplements.

Lol, yes you can, says a dietitian. Do you just make shit up as you go along?

[Ranjr]

The failure of communism can conceiveably be blamed on people not acting rationally. But even if we had a proof communism would work if everybody was rational... that does not mean we should try to implement communism. And the same goes for lockdowns (and I believe for quite a few things, including eating meat: If human beings were not irrationally attracted to short-term profits above sustainability, antibiotic resistance would not be a problem with the meat industry.). Sure, it is not exactly the same thing. Whether lockdowns could work in a perfectly rational society is a matter of hard science, while whether communism would work in it is a matter of soft science. But the principle remains the same.

There is only science, forget the hard and soft horsecock bullshit.  Lockdowns work.  If people choose to make them not work, they choose to let more people die.  That's a political choice.  So stop presenting your political choice as a scientific conclusion.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The failure of communism can conceiveably be blamed on people not acting rationally. But even if we had a proof communism would work if everybody was rational... that does not mean we should try to implement communism. And the same goes for lockdowns (and I believe for quite a few things, including eating meat: If human beings were not irrationally attracted to short-term profits above sustainability, antibiotic resistance would not be a problem with the meat industry.). Sure, it is not exactly the same thing. Whether lockdowns could work in a perfectly rational society is a matter of hard science, while whether communism would work in it is a matter of soft science. But the principle remains the same.

There is only science, forget the hard and soft horsecock bullshit.  Lockdowns work.  If people choose to make them not work, they choose to let more people die.  That's a political choice.  So stop presenting your political choice as a scientific conclusion.

By his logic, we could justify getting rid of any policy.

[Jackalope]

There is only science, forget the hard and soft horsecock bullshit.  Lockdowns work.  If people choose to make them not work, they choose to let more people die.  That's a political choice.  So stop presenting your political choice as a scientific conclusion.

By his logic, we could justify getting rid of any policy.

"Logic"

[Pat Mustard]

And you don’t think some group with a lot of brute force behind it isn’t going to find some way to fill in the void where power used to be?

What makes you think a violent revolution establishing a repressive government would be more likely to happen in an anarchy than it is now?  If anything, under anarchy, where there is no government preventing people from getting weapons, it is harder to establish a monopoly on violence.

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Also, you crow about how computer scientists can rig simulations to go their way due to left-wing bias, and yet you cite the AIER, a partisan think tank, to prop yours up. At least the think tank I cited (the Baker Institute) is actually nonpartisan.

Who cares if they are partisan or not? They are citing actual studies.

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I have read your idiotic nonsense.  Oh, and publishing papers in journals is not a big deal these days, pretty much any masters candidate has to get at least one published.

Do you have some research papers published? If not, do not claim it is easy.

No, but my brother has three. It's not that hard, with the proliferation of journals around, some will publish any nonsense.

Lad, face facts here. Given the amount of unmitigated bullshit you spout here, the average secondary school student would beat you for smarts, never mind a well read and intellectually curious adult.

[FlatAssembler]

No, I am saying that many studies show Vitamin D deficiency makes COVID worse. And lockdowns obviously contribute to Vitamin D deficiency.

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The only ways to get enough Vitamin D is by being on the sun or by supplements. You cannot get enough of it from food, except perhaps from some mushrooms (probably not even from them). Lockdowns make people spend less time on the sun. And the vast majority of people don't take Vitamin D supplements.

Lol, yes you can, says a dietitian. Do you just make shit up as you go along?

You can get enough Vitamin D from some special types of mushrooms? Fine. How many people will do that under a lockdown? Almost nobody, right? I bet most people don't even know some types of mushrooms are rich in Vitamin D.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Lol, yes you can, says a dietitian. Do you just make shit up as you go along?

You can get enough Vitamin D from some special types of mushrooms? Fine. How many people will do that under a lockdown? Almost nobody, right? I bet most people don't even know some types of mushrooms are rich in Vitamin D.

You can also get enough vitamin D from a few servings of fish, particularly salmon. I think your vitamin argument is pretty specious, though. Nothing about a lockdown prevents people from going out into their own garden, or sitting by a window when indoors. Also, people who would otherwise spend large amounts of time outside are the same people most likely to wear sunblock.

In any case, it doesn't take a lot of time to get the D you need from sunshine. 20 minutes twice per week is generally adequate, and even the most restrictive lockdowns don't prevent that.

Boru

[Angrboda]

Also, many of the most vulnerable populations do take supplements or otherwise make extra effort to get their nutritional needs met.