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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 5:52 pm
Quote:Question for Gun Rights Advocate: How much extra risk of violence can a society accept in order to respect the liberty of all individuals?
Question for Gun Restrictionists: What level of violence are you willing to allow an individual to employ in her own self-defense?
You should ask the gun nuts this.
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 5:57 pm
(June 26, 2021 at 4:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Question for Gun Rights Advocate: How much extra risk of violence can a society accept in order to respect the liberty of all individuals?
The two are not mutally exclusive - except in the minds of the anti- gun faction....
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 6:05 pm
(June 26, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Question for Gun Rights Advocate: How much extra risk of violence can a society accept in order to respect the liberty of all individuals?
Question for Gun Restrictionists: What level of violence are you willing to allow an individual to employ in her own self-defense?
You should ask the gun nuts this.
Those are actually very good questions for people on both sides of the issue.
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 6:12 pm
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Quote:The two are not mutally exclusive - except in the minds of the anti- gun faction....
Not even moron 
(June 26, 2021 at 6:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (June 26, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Helios Wrote: You should ask the gun nuts this.
Those are actually very good questions for people on both sides of the issue.
Boru Fair enough 
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 6:14 pm
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(June 26, 2021 at 3:33 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: The old " lay back and enjoy it" solution for rape
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No thanks. Or maybe more the "run, hide, and call the cops" solution. At least if your home is broken into, the cops will likely at least try to look into it.
But, who am I kidding? I'm talking to the guy who can't distinguish between "has enough money to keep a roof over his head and food in his stomach" and "wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice."
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 6:33 pm
Quote:The old " lay back and enjoy it" solution for rape
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No thanks.
Holy shit is comparing robbery to fucking rape?
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 9:34 pm
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Police Killed A "Good Samaritan" Who Fatally Shot A Gunman Who Had Killed A Cop
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Quote:A "good Samaritan" shot a man who ambushed and killed a Colorado police officer, likely saving other lives, only to be fatally shot himself by responding officers, officials confirmed Friday.
People parading guns through grocery stores does not make them, or America, great
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Quote:Last summer, my husband and I went to a grocery store in Sandpoint, Idaho to pick up some ice cream. As we started walking down the frozen foods aisle, my husband grabbed my arm to stop me. He gestured to the couple ahead of us, and I saw what he saw—a handgun sticking out of the back of the man's pants.
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We turned around and left the ice cream aisle, choosing to wait until the openly armed shopper left. And we were irritated. Seeing a man with a gun in a grocery aisle feels like living in a war zone—meanwhile, Sandpoint's violent crime rate is half the national average.
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Twitter user "Cacky" shared a similar encounter in an Oklahoma Trader Joe's, with a photo of a man with a handgun in a holster on his hip at the salad display.
"I have no idea if this guy is stable or mentally ill," she wrote. "Is he bothered by the heat and have a short fuse today? What if someone makes him mad and he has poor impulse control? I'm not willing to risk my life for groceries, so I just left Trader Joe's."
I had the same thoughts in the ice cream aisle in Idaho. Not only do we not know this person's mental state, but with a gun so openly broadcast, what's to stop another unstable shopper from grabbing the gun from them? I'm sure these guys think they'd be quick to stop someone from doing so, but there are dozens of scenarios where that confrontation ends very badly for them, as well as for the innocent bystanders who just want to buy some freaking lettuce.
State laws vary when it comes to open or concealed carry, but this isn't an issue of legality. It's an issue of morality, responsibility, and sensibility. "Because I can" or "Because it's my right" is not a good enough reason to do something—not when you live in a community with other human beings. You might have a right to carry a gun in a grocery store, but that doesn't mean that it is the right thing to do.
Your fellow citizens matter. And I would guess that most people feel less safe, not more, when they see someone with a gun sticking out of their pants at the grocery store. You might argue that you carry for your protection or even the protection of those around you, but the "good guy with a gun" idea has been outed as a myth over and over again. That myth and the fairly consistent mass shootings in the U.S. are why most of us see a random person with a gun as a threat, not protection.
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Freedom that feels like fear isn't true freedom, and wearing a gun in a grocery store feels like nothing but fear to me. If you have to carry a gun everywhere you go, you're not free, no matter how much you talk about your constitutional rights.
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 10:03 pm
"I saw the man had a gun and I peed myself" really isn't a statement of the man carrying the gun.
But it does say a lot of the person making the statement...
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 10:49 pm
Maybe “I saw the man had a gun and I peed myself” doesn’t say much, but I suspect that it was more “Why the fuck does a man need to carry a gun in the supermarket? Especially in a nation where mass shootings happen almost every day*. Can we be sure this is just a Good Guy With A Gun™️ instead of just another mass shooter? Are we sure the Good Guy With A Gun™️ is actually common enough that it’s reasonable to assume they could get the job done in such an event and that it’s not (for the most part) just a myth Hollywood tells us to sell popcorn and the NRA tells us so they can sell guns?”**
*note: It’s almost halfway through the year, and there have been a total of 38 days without a single mass shooting.
**note: you may point to some examples of it happening in real life, but this doesn’t mean they’re not outliers that won’t really help the majority of the time. Or that even some gun owners actually see through that myth.
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RE: No More Guns
June 26, 2021 at 10:51 pm
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"A guy looked at me oddly and I reached for the gun as I peed myself" might as well be the gun nut motto.
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