[Serious] Woman raped while onlookers did nothing

[LadyForCamus]

So back to the woman who was raped while other passengers looked on...opinions on that or is this just going to devolve into another giving away guns like candy thread?

I think everyone can agree crimes like what we are talking about should not happen. But it is hard to not react when you have the GOP offer up cutting funding for everything and having a no rules attitude.

What the hell does this story have to do with the GOP and/or their policies? Your brain is broken.

[LadyForCamus]

Okay, I've read through the whole thread, which was originally about people not intervening.

I think Brian37 originally pointed out a fact - people in groups do not usually stick their neck out or take responsibility.  They assume someone else will.  That's why when someone is in distress that you are helping, you don't say "someone call 911" -- it won't happen.  You have to actually tell some particular person to do it.

How hard can it be for people to have said - "I am calling 911" out loud to this guy?  If you make him feel afraid, he will get limp and try to get away.

The problem with the "I'd kick his ass" crowd is -- you're either full of shit, stupid, or you better have skills.  If you engage in physical violence with some stranger, you better be willing and able to put them down fast.  A fight such as that has no rules, and could easily get you killed.  You intend to brutally win, or you don't start it.

It is the same with a gun - you never pull one out unless you actually intend to kill someone with it.  That also means it must be legal to do so.  You don't wave guns around -- that will either get you shot, or arrested.

As a part of the ‘I’d kick his ass crowd’, I feel compelled to point out that I’m 6’4”, weigh 215, and I’m built like someone who played rugby union for 30 years (because I played rugby union for 30 years).

Boru

I’m probably just stupid. 😂

[Fireball]

As a part of the ‘I’d kick his ass crowd’, I feel compelled to point out that I’m 6’4”, weigh 215, and I’m built like someone who played rugby union for 30 years (because I played rugby union for 30 years).

Boru

I’m probably just stupid. 😂

No, just crazy, and even the police fear crazy. A guy sees a crazed mama bear, it puts fear in his eyes.

[The Valkyrie]

Okay, I've read through the whole thread, which was originally about people not intervening.

I think Brian37 originally pointed out a fact - people in groups do not usually stick their neck out or take responsibility.  They assume someone else will.  That's why when someone is in distress that you are helping, you don't say "someone call 911" -- it won't happen.  You have to actually tell some particular person to do it.

How hard can it be for people to have said - "I am calling 911" out loud to this guy?  If you make him feel afraid, he will get limp and try to get away.

The problem with the "I'd kick his ass" crowd is -- you're either full of shit, stupid, or you better have skills.  If you engage in physical violence with some stranger, you better be willing and able to put them down fast.  A fight such as that has no rules, and could easily get you killed.  You intend to brutally win, or you don't start it.

It is the same with a gun - you never pull one out unless you actually intend to kill someone with it.  That also means it must be legal to do so.  You don't wave guns around -- that will either get you shot, or arrested.

As a part of the ‘I’d kick his ass crowd’, I feel compelled to point out that I’m 6’4”, weigh 215, and I’m built like someone who played rugby union for 30 years (because I played rugby union for 30 years).

Boru

And I'm just under 5'6, am not particularly well built, but I've tackled a few people much larger than me in my time.

[The Valkyrie]

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While not labled as such, this is a serious thread about a vile crime. Please stay on topic as much as possible. We have enough other threads where the gun debate rages. I'm asking nicely THIS time.

[LadyForCamus]

In Salem for three days. Just got in trouble with my husband because some drunk guy was harassing two young women and their young son in a restaurant at the table next to us and I told him to fucking get going. 😂🤷‍♀️

[Fireball]

In Salem for three days. Just got in trouble with my husband because some drunk guy was harassing two young women and their young son in a restaurant at the table next to us and I told him to fucking get going. 😂🤷‍♀️

You must be scary when enraged.  My wife has gotten me into a couple of brawls, talking smack at dodos causing trouble.    Not as bad as BSB4, but in those days I could deadlift 300+ pounds, and bench press 180+ pounds. I don't take her out to bars, anymore...

[Anomalocaris]

You cant hit shit in a full automatic? REALLY? Over 50 concert goers in Vegas lost their lives. Or did you forget that? So when the allies invaded the beaches of the Pacific and used flame throwers to smoke out the Japanese in caves, that carpet spray of fire had no effect?

Full auto is for crowd control, not for hitting a single target (unless the target is close).  It is a support weapon, and is very effective at killing, when there are many targets.  It also suppresses enemy fire.

For single targets at any distance, you want semi-auto.  You will re-aim after each shot.

In military use, full auto is for suppressive fire, design to force the enemy to take cover, not to pick off individual soldiers.    Nonetheless automatic suppressive fire aimed in the general direction of the enemy likely accounts for much more enemy casualty than individual soldiers trying to pick off enemy with aimed fire. 

Individual soldiers making aimed shot is not just that effective a means of hitting the enemy.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Full auto is for crowd control, not for hitting a single target (unless the target is close).  It is a support weapon, and is very effective at killing, when there are many targets.  It also suppresses enemy fire.

For single targets at any distance, you want semi-auto.  You will re-aim after each shot.

In military use, full auto is for suppressive fire, design to force the enemy to take cover, not to pick off individual soldiers.    Nonetheless automatic suppressive fire aimed in the general direction of the enemy likely accounts for much more enemy casualty than individual soldiers trying to pick off enemy with aimed fire. 

Individual soldiers making aimed shot is not just that effective a means of hitting the enemy.

I was in the Australian army for two years.  I served with the First Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment, in Malaysia and Singapore. This was considered a holiday posting, wives and kids came too. I thought not being shot at was just dandy. Active service but not war service, so I'm not a vet.

Automatic setting was seldom used on rifles***. The weapon for automatic fire  was the M60 machine gun. Unlike the movies,  that weapon was fired in 4 round bursts. Any more  and the air cooled weapon got very hot and a round could explode in the breach. It fired a cone of fire.  That means it would hit whatever you were aiming at plus everything around it. 

*** Our generic weapon was the semi automatic  7.62 SLR. It could be turned into a temporary fully automatic weapon in about 30 seconds. Not recommended and you would be in deep doo doo if caught.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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OK, since people seem to have missed Valk's friendly admonition, here's an unfriendly one: A 'Serious' tag has been added to this thread. One of the guidelines of a thread so tagged is that derailing is not allowed.

Going forward, gun discussions are not permitted in this thread. Members who cannot be bothered to look for the many, many other gun threads in this forum will be thread banned and warned.

Boru