[Quranic Reflection]: Quran vs Hadith- why the Hadith is false

[WinterHold]

I wouldn't because I agree on the punishment.

You're a fucking monster, and I hope your life gets even shittier than it already is.

The west is the monster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Homme

• Skulls of 24 Algerian fighters who resisted French rule in the 19th century and were beheaded (repatriated in 2020)[9][10][11]
  

Don't you have shame, or do they teach hypocrisy in schools in the west?
Your people collect the heads of enemies and display them in museums ! you are necromancers, beast, Gog and Magog.

These skulls belong to my brethren monster!!

[Ranjr]

That's some sweet irony, Gertrude.

[Deesse23]

Harsh and horrible, wasnt it? But isn't a proper punishment supposed to be horrible? Considering that Damiens most probably knew about Ravaillac, but still attempted regicide, maybe Ravaillacs punisment wasnt horrible proper enough?

I said harsh and horrible, not psychopatic or sadistic. One can think of all kinds of inventive ways to punish a human being, after all. It's good to know that cutting a thief's hand is not applied in all circumstances. Someone stealing food because otherwise he will die of hunger won't get his hands cut off, according to Islamic jurisprudence. The harsh penalty of cutting hands is only for those who didn't really need to steal and could've found a legit source of income.

Whats your standard for determining whats "psychopathic" and what not?
Please no "book by divine being" BS; since you would need to demontrate

#1 the existence of that being
#2 the benevolence of that being
#3 the mental cpacities to make this determination by itself

Additional question:
After you cut the hand off a thief, what are his options for a "legit source of income"? Please explain whats going to happen after the psychopathic and sadistic maiming of this poor individual was done.

[WinterHold]

Bold mine - several posts ago you brought up the Vikings.  You derailed your own thread.

Don't forget that.

The Vikings were an example about moving on if somebody doesn't believe in the threats of hell; because Astreja was offended:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63329-p...Reflection

[Deesse23]

Thank you, excellent definition. The simplest way to stop a thief from stealing: cut off the hands he steals property with. This way, he won't cause more problems to other members of society. And one man's inability to work (oh, and thieves aren't motivated to work, in general) is outweighed by the overall decrease of thievery as a result of enforcing Islamic law. It seems Islamic law fits your definition perfectly. Again, thanks!

Big pile of uninformed, ignorant uncivilized drivel.

Please demonstrate that no thief ever changed his opinion on working.

[The Architect Of Fate]

The Vikings were an example about moving on if somebody doesn't believe in the threats of hell; because Astreja was offended:

And you still got that wrong. It's amazing you would link to something that displays your total ignorance of well.... everything  

[Ranjr]

How is mutilation helping the strength of your nations?  And to follow up if I may, if Islam is the way to God, how do the theocracies, monarchies, and warlords who follow it remain divided and so frequently at war with each other?  

I'll hang up and listen.

[WinterHold]

How is mutilation helping the strength of your nations?  And to follow up if I may, if Islam is the way to God, how do the theocracies, monarchies, and warlords who follow it remain divided and so frequently at war with each other?  

I'll hang up and listen.

Islam is not "God trying to win a battle"; it is God "teaching humans how to win in the afterlife".

God already has everything under his control; life is supposed to be like this: it is supposed to a place where the good humans battle the evil ones, over and over until judgement day comes.
Mutilating thieves is God's solution to humans to stop and prevent theft so we may live peacefully, "we" humans; not God. 

The people who claim to be "Muslims" -like me or like Arabs or like any person claiming to be a Muslim- are not necessarily Muslims. Talk is cheap and it's not evidence on anything to honest.

[WinterHold]

Just as a side note, Astreja:

Don't you think it's very hypocritical to go angry because the Quran says the hand of thieve should be cut; while Western countries keep skulls of dead people who resisted western invasions in museums ? how savage, how cruel. But I won't return the F word.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Just as a side note, Astreja:

Don't you think it's very hypocritical to go angry because the Quran says the hand of thieve should be cut; while Western countries keep skulls of dead people who resisted western invasions in museums? how savage, how cruel. But I won't return the F word.

Nope and that's a dumb comparison because last I checked those people are already dead unlike the poor bastard whose hand your collection of fever dream says to maim

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I said harsh and horrible, not psychopatic or sadistic. One can think of all kinds of inventive ways to punish a human being, after all. It's good to know that cutting a thief's hand is not applied in all circumstances. Someone stealing food because otherwise he will die of hunger won't get his hands cut off, according to Islamic jurisprudence. The harsh penalty of cutting hands is only for those who didn't really need to steal and could've found a legit source of income.

Whats your standard for determining whats "psychopathic" and what not?
Please no "book by divine being" BS; since you would need to demontrate

#1 the existence of that being
#2 the benevolence of that being
#3 the mental cpacities to make this determination by itself

Additional question:
After you cut the hand off a thief, what are his options for a  "legit source of income"? Please explain whats going to happen after the psychopathic and sadistic maiming of this poor individual was done.

And who gets to decide what someone else needed?

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How is mutilation helping the strength of your nations?  And to follow up if I may, if Islam is the way to God, how do the theocracies, monarchies, and warlords who follow it remain divided and so frequently at war with each other?  

I'll hang up and listen.

It doesn't in anyway