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Here we go ...
#51
RE: Here we go ...
(February 1, 2023 at 2:22 pm)Justin Case Wrote:
(February 1, 2023 at 2:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If that's what needs to be done, then you've got a bit of a problem trying to defend no1 - which isn't how monotheism arose at all.  No2, likewise...difficult, as it's an explicit invocation of a logical fallacy.

Then present your case.

My case?  For what?  That your notion of a single person coming up with monotheism is absurd?  That case makes itself.  That logical fallacies do not lead to accurate conclusions?  Also makes itself.
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#52
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Monotheism was present in human history way before Hebrews existed. Take a time in the mid-fourteenth century B.C. E., Egypt experienced a form of authoritarian monotheism under a pharaoh named Akhenaten.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#53
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(February 1, 2023 at 2:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 1, 2023 at 1:55 pm)Justin Case Wrote: History: a chronological record of significant events often including an explanation of their causes.

It's a collection of facts regarding a particular subject that shows how that subject came together over time.
1) Monotheism NEVER EXISTED in history until ONE PERSON changed the rules of the religious game. He eliminated what was always believed, and replaced it with something never heard of before.
2) In the overall picture, there are three different "GODS" that pop up in three different cultures over time, with three different names and three different stories. If this "GOD" idea was in any respect true, all accounts would have the same name and the same story behind it. How different is the later Muslim "GOD?" People simply dismiss that one because they simply don't WANT to hear it. It's the SAME picture ... just more CHANGES for the none thinking followers.

What needs to be done here is to dispute the data and correct the picture if you think it's wrong. I'm only interested in hard data answers to disprove this so the picture can be straightened out if needed.

Thank you for lecturing me on what history is - if it weren’t for you, I never would have known (despite having a degree in history).

None of the rest of your post answers my question.

Boru

Then technically, with your degree, you should know that "statements" are not considered anything ... details are what we need.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
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#54
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(February 1, 2023 at 3:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Monotheism was present in human history way before Hebrews existed. Take a time in the mid-fourteenth century B.C. E., Egypt experienced a form of authoritarian monotheism under a pharaoh named Akhenaten.

Before, and after, and in other places, and with no contact.  Even if we limited ourselves to abrahamism alone, it still isn't the case that any one person came up with the idea of monotheism.  In that specific case, monotheism was an eventual byproduct of syncretic henotheism, diaspora, and politics spanning centuries.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#55
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(February 1, 2023 at 2:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(February 1, 2023 at 2:22 pm)Justin Case Wrote: Then present your case.

My case?  For what?  That your notion of a single person coming up with monotheism is absurd?  That case makes itself.  That logical fallacies do not lead to accurate conclusions?  Also makes itself.

I knew you had nothing.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
Fabre D'Olivet
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#56
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Did you want to murder irony or discuss history?

Ill help you start with the latter. Give us the name of this one man of yours.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#57
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(February 1, 2023 at 3:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Did you want to murder irony or discuss history?  

Ill help you start with the latter.  Give us the name of this one man of yours.

I did earlier ... Ahkenaton ... time C 1350 BC.

I'll be back - lunch time Smile
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
Fabre D'Olivet
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#58
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I want to know who that one guy was/is too. And did he/she hang out in that apartment for seven years.
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#59
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(February 1, 2023 at 3:20 pm)Justin Case Wrote:
(February 1, 2023 at 3:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Did you want to murder irony or discuss history?  

Ill help you start with the latter.  Give us the name of this one man of yours.

I did earlier ... Ahkenaton ... time C 1350 BC.

I'll be back - lunch time Smile
Atenism wasn't monotheism, didn't survive the assassination of it's leader, and has no relationship or contact whatsoever to judaism, let alone the countless other monotheistic belief systems that have arisen throughout history and across the globe.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#60
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Besides, why would the idea of only one god be proof of god's existence? Why is monotheism more credible than polytheism or henotheism?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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