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Here we go ...
RE: Here we go ...
There's two ways to do this, and constantly adding material here can get crazy. Since I can't post a link, do a Google search for the Black Nonbelievers website, and the page: Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
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(February 3, 2023 at 12:53 pm)Justin Case Wrote: There's two ways to do this, and constantly adding material here can get crazy. Since I can't post a link, do a Google search for the Black Nonbelievers website, and the page: Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return.

Why oh why are you working so hard to convince non-believers that the Bible isn’t accurate?

Boru
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(February 3, 2023 at 12:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 12:53 pm)Justin Case Wrote: There's two ways to do this, and constantly adding material here can get crazy. Since I can't post a link, do a Google search for the Black Nonbelievers website, and the page: Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return.

Why oh why are you working so hard to convince non-believers that the Bible isn’t accurate?

Boru

Because I have not heard a proper breakdown of the picture to date. It's like the end times story in the NT ... what's the history of the subject? Why is it that no other culture from the start of writing had an end times story except the Zoroastrians? What was the difference in their cultural picture and everyone else from Egypt to the middle east? Was it their Aryan background? What did the the Aryan split have to do with anything? There's more to this picture ... like the Aztec end of the fifth world concept. What's up with that? What does the Mayan long count and the arrival of "the god of nine long steps" have to do with this?

If you want to have beliefs with no information depth - fine. I like depth.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
Fabre D'Olivet
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(February 3, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Justin Case Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 12:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why oh why are you working so hard to convince non-believers that the Bible isn’t accurate?

Boru

Because I have not heard a proper breakdown of the picture to date. It's like the end times story in the NT ... what's the history of the subject? Why is it that no other culture from the start of writing had an end times story except the Zoroastrians? What was the difference in their cultural picture and everyone else from Egypt to the middle east? Was it their Aryan background? What did the the Aryan split have to do with anything? There's more to this picture ... like the Aztec end of the fifth world concept. What's up with that? What does the Mayan long count and the arrival of "the god of nine long steps" have to do with this?

If you want to have beliefs with no information depth - fine. I like depth.

What specific belief that 'we' ostensibly have is it that you're referring to here?
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(February 3, 2023 at 2:41 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Justin Case Wrote: Because I have not heard a proper breakdown of the picture to date. It's like the end times story in the NT ... what's the history of the subject? Why is it that no other culture from the start of writing had an end times story except the Zoroastrians? What was the difference in their cultural picture and everyone else from Egypt to the middle east? Was it their Aryan background? What did the the Aryan split have to do with anything? There's more to this picture ... like the Aztec end of the fifth world concept. What's up with that? What does the Mayan long count and the arrival of "the god of nine long steps" have to do with this?

If you want to have beliefs with no information depth - fine. I like depth.

What specific belief that 'we' ostensibly have is it that you're referring to here?

It's not about  a "belief" - it's about an explanation. In other words, if a believer asks WHY the person DOESN'T believe, the answer should incorporate as much hard data as possible.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
Fabre D'Olivet
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RE: Here we go ...
(February 3, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Justin Case Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 12:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Why oh why are you working so hard to convince non-believers that the Bible isn’t accurate?

Boru

Because I have not heard a proper breakdown of the picture to date. It's like the end times story in the NT ... what's the history of the subject? Why is it that no other culture from the start of writing had an end times story except the Zoroastrians? What was the difference in their cultural picture and everyone else from Egypt to the middle east? Was it their Aryan background? What did the the Aryan split have to do with anything? There's more to this picture ... like the Aztec end of the fifth world concept. What's up with that? What does the Mayan long count and the arrival of "the god of nine long steps" have to do with this?

If you want to have beliefs with no information depth - fine. I like depth.

You erode the value of your own questions when offering other examples of end of days scenarios in those questions about why no one else had an end of days scenario.  To be short and frank, egyptian beliefs are typical of the sorts of beliefs we find in river valley civs at similar levels of development...and were not aryan in the first place. You've filled your head with garbage, and it's no wonder you've not "heard a proper breakdown of the picture" - nor that you have trouble talking to nuts about this.
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(February 3, 2023 at 3:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 2:28 pm)Justin Case Wrote: Because I have not heard a proper breakdown of the picture to date. It's like the end times story in the NT ... what's the history of the subject? Why is it that no other culture from the start of writing had an end times story except the Zoroastrians? What was the difference in their cultural picture and everyone else from Egypt to the middle east? Was it their Aryan background? What did the the Aryan split have to do with anything? There's more to this picture ... like the Aztec end of the fifth world concept. What's up with that? What does the Mayan long count and the arrival of "the god of nine long steps" have to do with this?

If you want to have beliefs with no information depth - fine. I like depth.

You erode the value of your own questions when offering other examples of end of days scenarios in those questions about why no one else had an end of days scenario.  To be short and frank, egyptian beliefs are typical of the sorts of beliefs we find in river valley civs at similar levels of development...and were not aryan in the first place.  You've filled your head with garbage, and it's no wonder you've not "heard a proper breakdown of the picture" - nor that you have trouble talking to nuts about this.

The Zoroastrians were Aryan.
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
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(February 3, 2023 at 2:55 pm)Justin Case Wrote:
(February 3, 2023 at 2:41 pm)Angrboda Wrote: What specific belief that 'we' ostensibly have is it that you're referring to here?

It's not about  a "belief" - it's about an explanation. In other words, if a believer asks WHY the person DOESN'T believe, the answer should incorporate as much hard data as possible.

You used the word 'belief' -- can you simply answer what that was in reference to, or are you completely incompetent?
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I don't think you understand. Your question can be translated for accuracy to "Why didn't people who were not the aryans believe what aryans believed?"

The answer, simply, is because they were not those people.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(February 3, 2023 at 3:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't think you understand.  Your question can be translated for accuracy to "Why didn't people who were not the aryans believe what aryans believed?"

The answer, simply, is because they were not those people.

No, my "question" is - what was the history of this "end times belief." The cultures present before the Aryan arrival did not have an end times belief ... that started with the arrival of the Aryans, and the "split" sent some of them to India ... where ideas like the Kali Yuga oddly "popped up."
"...and I saw clearly that men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
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