Palestine

[ShinyCrystals]

Whether or not this ethnic cleansing was a thing, I am sure Biden had nothing to do with this. I think you are just scapegoating him, just showing dislike for him, or are going by something with little or no evidence to back it up with.

Also, Biden is not destroying or ruining America. Trump would be the kind of person to do that. In fact, things in America have gotten better since Biden took office after Trump lost his second election.

You are talking to an utterly incompetent/ignorant religious fanatic, who blames the US for literally everything the crusaders cant be blamed for otherwise.

Thanks for the heads up. Couldn't resist posting that, though, for some reason.

[LinuxGal]

Who takes responsibility in this ethnic cleansing is Joe Biden, his political team & Israel's Netanyahu,
Biden should go to prison.

This senile person destroyed America's image for life.

And one would have thought the Dred Scott decision, or putting Americans of Japanese ancestry in camps would have already done that.

[Deesse23]

The goal of battle is to make the enemy "cease their atrocities", by "reflecting -mirroring- their deeds", with a limit of course, Muslims should never exceed the limit.

When they invade your lands, burn, loot and pillage, Muslims should do that as well. But, of course not in excess, we don't want to burn, loot and pillage too much, that would be unethical.

Same for ethnic cleansing, mass rape and genocide. Nothing to say against that, as long as the others start it, and we don't "exceed the limit"

Makes total sense......if you have bronze age ethics (hope bronze age people are not offended now).

[arewethereyet]

Let me see if I can remember...9/11 was led by a group of attackers who decided to take out people working in an office building. How is that okay?

Other than the plane that hit the Pentagon, I don't seem to recall a lot of military targets involved.

Please, Winter, explain how there's a difference just because the hijackers weren't military and were Muslim.

Taking out the innocent is not acceptable but is a casualty of terroristic actions. Apparently it's okay if your people do it but you get your nuts in a knot when someone else acts in kind.

[Leonardo17]

In this edition of "Was that so Fucking Hard?" here are a few statements:

• Israel has been illegally occupying Gaza and the West Bank and turning it into an apartheid state for DECADES.
  
• In the lead-up to the recent war, Israel was forcing Palestinians out of homes they had been living in for generations, which is, at minimum, a small-scale sort of ethnic cleansing.
  
• In recent days, Israel's bombing of Gaza has gone well beyond any justifiable retaliation, and about the only reason I'd hesitate in calling it genocide at this point is that Gazans are more of a demos than a genos, and that calling it genocide would be like calling a similar full-scale assault on, say, Denver, Colorado a genocide. But that's just splitting hairs, because, either way, it's still a horrible event that's leading to the needless deaths of thousands of civilians.
  
• Hamas isn't even close to blameless in what it's been doing in the war, and you don't need to make up stories about beheaded babies to demonstrate that. Indeed, their decision (well-documented) to kill 270+ Israelis who just wanted to dance to some electronic music at Re'im is a good example of an act well worth condemning. And that's just one.
  
• Frankly, when it comes to their bombing campaigns, the biggest difference between the IDF and Hamas is that the former's better-funded.
  
•  Hamas has long had genocidal aims dating all the way back to its original 1988 charter.
  

I acknowledge that all of these statements are true, and I condemn both Israel and Hamas for making them so, because, frankly, two wrongs don't make a right, especially when both wrongs are crimes against humanity.

There was an interview yesterday on the progress over the year of Jewish settlements in Palestine. Many things (like digging a well / importing some products) are forbidden to Palestinians. 

The way I see it, Israel wants all these territories and Western states / especially the US are backing these efforts probably because of powerful Jewish lobbies. 

So not only right wing İslamists, but left wing people are also very critical of the state of Israel.

The main issue is that Palestinian authorities are also very corrupt and I don’t know if they could even negotiate with the Israelis if there was a new Camp David.

[WinterHold]

Let me see if I can remember...9/11 was led by a group of attackers who decided to take out people working in an office building.  How is that okay?

Other than the plane that hit the Pentagon, I don't seem to recall a lot of military targets involved.

Please, Winter, explain how there's a difference just because the hijackers weren't military and were Muslim.

Taking out the innocent is not acceptable but is a casualty of terroristic actions.  Apparently it's okay if your people do it but you get your nuts in a knot when someone else acts in kind.

9/11 was a preemptive strike by Bin Laden to the "American infrastructure" because America "supported Israel":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_fo...11_attacks

Support of Israel by United States

See also: Israel–United States relations and Israel–United States military relations
Further information: Arab–Israeli conflict and United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine
In his November 2002 "Letter to America", bin Laden described the United States' support of Israel as a motivation:

The expansion of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its price, and pay for it heavily.[16]

But Bin Laden's motive was blind. America itself did not attack Palestine directly; Israel did.
Why didn't Bin Laden attack the Israeli army just like Hamas is doing now?

Actually, Al-Qaeda enthusiasts used to curse Hamas and blame it instead.
BTW ISIS considers Hamas "Kuffar",

Instead; Bin Laden -who was funded by the CIA in the Afghan war against USSR- made a weak, useless attack on the U.S, that justified every imperialist crime it did in the region.

He gave the U.S army every justification needed to invade the Middle East, which makes me believe that Bin Laden was nothing but a CIA operative sent to Afghanistan.

That's the difference.

[arewethereyet]

You are so brainwashed. Sad really because I don't think that deep down you are a bad guy.

You also don't seem able to be see around the blinders your country has put on you.

[WinterHold]

You are so brainwashed.  Sad really because I don't think that deep down you are a bad guy.  

You also don't seem able to be see around the blinders your country has put on you.

I'm not brainwashed, but I actually saw the real face of so many.
I grew up with propaganda headphones in my ears. Every person with an agenda whispers a little in the broadcast. 

I just don't trust anybody easily.

[Bucky Ball]

How many terrorists do you think the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Palestinian West Bank territories have created,
(ie no need to have respect for any established boarders) ?

[Leonardo17]

   Without trying to look like some sort of teacher of anything like that: This is a perfect example of how the politicization of religion makes you miss all the main issues of religion.
 

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   The issue is this: Anyone can seek revenge when they are wronged. It’s the nature of any normal human being to hit back when they are being hit.
 
   But one of the main sign of true spirituality is when you are able to treat people well even when they do you wrong. (It’s a deep subject but that’s the way it works).
 
   If you are religious but not so spiritual then you must know this: Religion does allow us to wage war on those who wage war on us (like Russia and Ukraine).
 
   But to criticize the way Hamas has acted during the last 8 days or so, you need to go back to before religion. You know the term “corruption on earth”. Well that’s “Corruption on earth”. Arabs have attacked the newly founded state of Israel as soon as it was founded. They lost. Than they attacked 2-3 more times. And they lost.
 
   So now you can do either 2 of these things. 1) You declare war and try to eradicate them again. Or 2) you accept your defeat and act accordingly.
 
Terror is not a solution to anything. Even if you are perfectly right: When you use that kind of violence on completely defenseless people you become wrong even if you are right.
 
Also you’re the one who made religious quotes so let me tell you this: This is all a play of the Ego. It’s all “My God versus you God”, “This is my land not your land”, “It’s my holy place not your holy place”, “I didn’t butcher you, you butchered me first”, “No you did it. – No you did it”.
 
   Spiritual people have the ability to see beyond such superficial issues. What’s happening right now is that the collective ego of Arabs and the collective ego of Jews have become like two snakes trying to strangle one another. Both of them are actually dying if you are wiling to see things exactly as they are.
 
   So the solution here is not more violence. I still do not think that Israel should try to take all those territories. I think it’s more or less time to try to find a common solution.
 
Why can’t the Palestinians somehow start to live with the Israelis? (I’m asking this because this was how things were working for centuries until the Ottoman rule in that area ended in 1917.

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I mean whoever is/are your teachers, you may start questioning them from this angle. As I said before, there are too many false preachers in every religion, but the majority of them in our religion are (unfortunately) people who will just mess your mind completely. SO try to take things with a grain of salt in these issues. Or give it time. Try to go deeper on some stuff before having strong assumptions.
 
I have no strong assumption on anything. Religion is a huge work of the intellect. So free your mind a little. And try to do other things as well. After all you are not the writer of this Book are you? You believe that there is an author. So sometimes you can try to “Let go and let God”. That’s what I do