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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:21 am
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Just Wow.
-Argument from incredulity. I can't believe evolution happened.
-Argument from ignorance. I don't understand evolution as evidenced by my explanation of why I don't believe in evolution, and why it didn't happen.
-Argument from authority. Smart people agree with me.
-Argument ad naus. I'm going to repeat these claims as I'm incapable of actually defending them, I just like the way they sound.
You know what grinds my gears here? Arguing against evolution is arguing against a simple observation that anyone with a shovel can make. You should stick to the theoretical bit if you're going to argue anything at all. How did the observed change occur? You folks are so fantastically deluded about what part is observation and what part is theory that it's completely unsurprising to me that you consistently fail to offer valid criticisms of the theory. No matter what your explanation may be, the landscape and variety of life changes through time, and this is not theory, this is a demonstrable fact. This fact is based upon a simple observation, available to any and all, and beyond any grounds for disagreement. The only area open to alternative explanations would be the mechanism. It just so happens that there are alternatives to Natural Selection, and it just so happens that creation by the biblical god is not one of them. You're mixing science and religion, and when you do that, religion is going to come out the other end looking like a complete ass.
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:24 am
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(December 23, 2011 at 10:11 am)Darwinning Wrote: (December 23, 2011 at 9:55 am)power Wrote: Sadly, many atheists I meet don't even know what micro and macro evolution is, or think creationists made it up.
We are not those atheists. Trust us.
(December 23, 2011 at 9:55 am)power Wrote: Everything posted until now fails to even address my main points.
Apart from the frequently linked article confusingly titled "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution - The Scientific Case for Common Descent" which states in it's introduction:
Quote:This article directly addresses the scientific evidence in favor of common descent and macroevolution. This article is specifically intended for those who are scientifically minded but, for one reason or another, have come to believe that macroevolutionary theory explains little, makes few or no testable predictions, is unfalsifiable, or has not been scientifically demonstrated.
Did you read that part?
(December 23, 2011 at 10:05 am)power Wrote: (December 23, 2011 at 9:49 am)Darwinning Wrote: (December 23, 2011 at 9:46 am)power Wrote: because nearly half of biologists believe in a personal God who answers prayers.
[citation needed]
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/nation...nted=print
So when you said "nearly half of biologists believe in a personal God who answers prayers" you were referring to the below?
(Emphasis mine.)
Quote:According to a much-discussed survey reported in the journal Nature in 1997, 40 percent of biologists, physicists and mathematicians said they believed in God - and not just a nonspecific transcendental presence but, as the survey put it, a God to whom one may pray "in expectation of receiving an answer."
The survey, by Edward J. Larson of the University of Georgia, was intended to replicate one conducted in 1914, and the results were virtually unchanged. In both cases, participants were drawn from a directory of American scientists.
Others play down those results. They note that when Dr. Larson put part of the same survey to "leading scientists" - in this case, members of the National Academy of Sciences, perhaps the nation's most eminent scientific organization - fewer than 10 percent professed belief in a personal God or human immortality.
http://pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethic...elief.aspx
(December 23, 2011 at 10:21 am)Rhythm Wrote: Just Wow.
-Argument from incredulity. I can't believe evolution happened.
-Argument from ignorance. I don't understand evolution as evidenced by my explanation of why I don't believe in evolution, and why it didn't happen.
-Argument from authority. Smart people agree with me.
-Argument ad naus. I'm going to repeat these claims as I'm incapable of actually defending them, I just like the way they sound.
You know what grinds my gears here? Arguing against evolution is arguing against a simple observation that anyone with a shovel can make. You should stick to the theoretical bit if you're going to argue anything at all. How did the observed change occur?
Hi Rhythm, how about you just give me a good argument which supports macro evolution. It would be nice if at least one person here could do that..
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:27 am
(December 23, 2011 at 10:20 am)power Wrote: You are starting with the presupposition that God doesn't even exist, so you don't believe there is a God that could raise Jesus from the dead.
I live my life on the assumption that there's no such thing as a god, just as I live my life on the assumption that there are no pixies or fairies. Also, why would I believe Jebus rose from the dead? What evidence do you have?
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:28 am
Goodnight everyone..hopefully when I return someone will present an argument supporting macroevolution..
for those who keep posting the 29 evidences, here are the 29 refutations http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1a.asp
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:29 am
Second preaching strike!
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:30 am
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Go back to your church/nursery godboy, it's where you belong.
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:30 am
(December 23, 2011 at 10:24 am)power Wrote: http://pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethic...elief.aspx
You realize that article does not support your original claim, right?
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:35 am
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(December 23, 2011 at 10:24 am)power Wrote: Hi Rhythm, how about you just give me a good argument which supports macro evolution. It would be nice if at least one person here could do that..
Firstly, no one is under any obligation to provide you with anything whatsoever. If we had no explanation it would not default to goddidit. You have to make your own case. Now that I've cleared that up....
-The observed change in allele frequency over time. It just so happens that this is not an argument, but an observation, and it is the definition of evolution (micro or macro, as these are descriptors and not names for separate processes). NS is an addition to this, and was actually proposed before this definition was even remotely possible.
We were once unaware that this actually occurred. That's what is so amusing to me. Without understanding the mechanism at all, a theory was developed based upon what knowledge was available that stood the test of time and experimentation. We could plainly see that life had changed, we had no idea why, and still we were able to work out an explanation which would be confirmed over the next one hundred and fifty years. A similar situation is found with regards to the Theory of NS specifically. Supporting evidence has been piling up ever since man first proposed ToE by NS, no evidence has ever cropped up to falsify the theory, and that's why this theory and the goddidit proposal are in no way similar. Goddidit began to lose steam as soon as people started looking. No supporting evidence has ever been found (and all of your bullshit links do nothing to change this), and all evidence that has been found rules out goddidit (and no amount of faith can salvage this theory).
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:36 am
I really don't think he can read Darwining.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/nation...nted=print Says nothing about supporting his claims. It's just a Newsprint "Sci report" article.
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RE: So you believe in evolution..
December 23, 2011 at 10:38 am
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(December 23, 2011 at 10:24 am)power Wrote: Hi Rhythm, how about you just give me a good argument which supports macro evolution. It would be nice if at least one person here could do that.. Part 1:
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