The Historical Jesus

[Fake Messiah]

The hope is that by the time someone starts with the premise, "well men and women are more similar than they are different." And uses that as a basis to destroy the fundamental dichotomy of male and female,

And what is that "fundamental dichotomy of male and female" or, in other words, what is the difference between man and a woman that should concern us?

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?"

That's the reason why "thou shalt not commit adultery" was given to us as a Godly commandment, and that's why so many cultures the world over have frowned on such hedonistic and short-sighted behavior.

I see where this is going.
It starts even before man laying with man, it starts with the democratic society that allows people to create a liberal society in which something like that is allowed. That is why the theocratic society must be established so that God's commands be obeyed and the sacred "fundamental dichotomy of male and female" (whatever that means) remains preserved.

[Silver]

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When you use the word error what do you mean?

If you don't give me some kind of concrete example (within the New Testament) then I don't see the point in chasing you in circles around this point.

Yes God allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie. And as they live their truth their understanding of the truth gets more and more deluded as they have been handed over to a debased mind (Romans 1). The hope is that by the time someone starts with the premise, "well men and women are more similar than they are different." And uses that as a basis to destroy the fundamental dichotomy of male and female, eventually they reach a place where they cannot utter the phrase, "men can't become women" without fear of being labeled as a bigot. They will begin to see the flaw in their own logic. 
You may not believe in Chris†'s death and resurrection, but what about logical consistency? How deep is your hypocrisy going to go before you turn around and start heading towards a consistent understanding of what's true?

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?" 
I'm glad that my God hands my enemies over to their depraved desire and provides them with a reprobate mind. 
Makes the non-sense easier to spot as time moves forward. They expose themselves and eventually will un-ironically wave a gay pride flag next to a Palestinian flag. 
Seeing no contradiction. 

These fornicators have rejected not just the command of God but also common sense as anyone who is thinking about the greater impact that they have on society would know that you shouldn't be trying to have children with someone whom you would not want to raise children with. That's the reason why "thou shalt not commit adultery" was given to us as a Godly commandment, and that's why so many cultures the world over have frowned on such hedonistic and short-sighted behavior.

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Thank you, Mr. Boomer Bigot, for sharing your outdated opinion.

[Ferrocyanide]

Yes God allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie. And as they live their truth their understanding of the truth gets more and more deluded as they have been handed over to a debased mind (Romans 1).

But if there isn't a jewish god, if there are no gods at all, no creator aliens, couldn't we say that "nothingness allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie"?
I am not able to tell the difference between this jewish god thing and the nothing being.

I am not saying that I know for a fact that there are no creator gods, or aliens or alien-god things.
I am saying that I have to consider both cases, both universes. From the point of view of a human, from my POV, both universes look identical.

The hope is that by the time someone starts with the premise, "well men and women are more similar than they are different." And uses that as a basis to destroy the fundamental dichotomy of male and female, eventually they reach a place where they cannot utter the phrase, "men can't become women" without fear of being labeled as a bigot. They will begin to see the flaw in their own logic. 
You may not believe in Chris†'s death and resurrection, but what about logical consistency? How deep is your hypocrisy going to go before you turn around and start heading towards a consistent understanding of what's true?

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?" 
I'm glad that my God hands my enemies over to their depraved desire and provides them with a reprobate mind. 
Makes the non-sense easier to spot as time moves forward. They expose themselves and eventually will un-ironically wave a gay pride flag next to a Palestinian flag. 
Seeing no contradiction. 

These fornicators have rejected not just the command of God but also common sense as anyone who is thinking about the greater impact that they have on society would know that you shouldn't be trying to have children with someone whom you would not want to raise children with. That's the reason why "thou shalt not commit adultery" was given to us as a Godly commandment, and that's why so many cultures the world over have frowned on such hedonistic and short-sighted behavior.

A women tends to be someone who likes playing with dolls, playing house, tea cup sets when they are young.
Some of them don't like that kind of stuff. They like doing sports, hunting, outdoor activities. These were called tomboys. Eventually, people began accepting that girls can play sports too. Then, they created professional sports groups.
Is this something that bothers you?

In the past, a women is someone who doesn't go to the front lines during a war. They tend to be nurses. That changed. They can be a soldier, they can join the navy or air force. They can be a doctor.
Are these things that bother you?

Women also tend to have long hair. They like wearing ear rings, makeup, long dresses, long sleeves.
That changed.  Some seem to shave their heads, some have a punky style, a lot of them don't wear makeup, a lot of them wear pants.
Are these things that bother you?

Other than that, there are biological differences between male and female.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ferrocyanide

Yes God allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie. And as they live their truth their understanding of the truth gets more and more deluded as they have been handed over to a debased mind (Romans 1).

But if there isn't a jewish god, if there are no gods at all, no creator aliens, couldn't we say that "nothingness allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie"?
I am not able to tell the difference between this jewish god thing and the nothing being.

I am not saying that I know for a fact that there are no creator gods, or aliens or alien-god things.
I am saying that I have to consider both cases, both universes. From the point of view of a human, from my POV, both universes look identical.

The hope is that by the time someone starts with the premise, "well men and women are more similar than they are different." And uses that as a basis to destroy the fundamental dichotomy of male and female, eventually they reach a place where they cannot utter the phrase, "men can't become women" without fear of being labeled as a bigot. They will begin to see the flaw in their own logic. 
You may not believe in Chris†'s death and resurrection, but what about logical consistency? How deep is your hypocrisy going to go before you turn around and start heading towards a consistent understanding of what's true?

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?" 
I'm glad that my God hands my enemies over to their depraved desire and provides them with a reprobate mind. 
Makes the non-sense easier to spot as time moves forward. They expose themselves and eventually will un-ironically wave a gay pride flag next to a Palestinian flag. 
Seeing no contradiction. 

These fornicators have rejected not just the command of God but also common sense as anyone who is thinking about the greater impact that they have on society would know that you shouldn't be trying to have children with someone whom you would not want to raise children with. That's the reason why "thou shalt not commit adultery" was given to us as a Godly commandment, and that's why so many cultures the world over have frowned on such hedonistic and short-sighted behavior.

A women tends to be someone who likes playing with dolls, playing house, tea cup sets when they are young.
Some of them don't like that kind of stuff. They like doing sports, hunting, outdoor activities. These were called tomboys. Eventually, people began accepting that girls can play sports too. Then, they created professional sports groups.
Is this something that bothers you?

In the past, a women is someone who doesn't go to the front lines during a war. They tend to be nurses. That changed. They can be a soldier, they can join the navy or air force. They can be a doctor.
Are these things that bother you?

Women also tend to have long hair. They like wearing ear rings, makeup, long dresses, long sleeves.
That changed.  Some seem to shave their heads, some have a punky style, a lot of them don't wear makeup, a lot of them wear pants.
Are these things that bother you?

Other than that, there are biological differences between male and female.

(Bold mine)

Let’s see - I have long hair, wear earrings, have worn makeup, worn a kilt to several formal occasions, and wear long sleeves for at least part of every day.

🎼 I enjoy being a giiiirl…

Boru

[Pat Mustard]

But the eye-witness accounts might also be true, good thing we have 4 early accounts from 4 early journalists that pass every archeological test we can currently throw at them.

We do not have four independent eyewitness accounts, or even four independent historical reports because all four stem from the first, what we call Mark’s Gospel.

What we have is a single religious document, written at least a generation after the time it portrays, by an anonymous author far away from the setting of the story for purely theological purposes. And every subsequent Gospel writer simply copied Mark and added more stuff - like Matthew added sermon on the mount where Jesus quotes stuff from the Old Testament.

In every new gospel, Jesus becomes more impressive, more perfect, more divine; his career and miracles grow more spectacular and earth-shaking; and by the time John’s story is written, Jesus has become a cosmic deity from the very creation of the universe who strides around Judea fearlessly declaring to all that he is God almighty made flesh.



There is no archeological evidence that Jesus existed nor the apostles. There is no evidence that even the most spectacular miracles happened like darkness that spread around the world, that hundreds of people rose from the graves and walked into Jerusalem, nor is the place of crucifixion known or Jesus tomb.

Two generations at least, the earliest possible date for the authorship of Mark is 75CE in the aftermath of the First Temple Revolt, and could very well have not been written until the 2nd Century CE, when the first (tiny) fragments of any scriptures start showing up in the records. The first significant fragments of scripture don't show up until the third century.

[The Valkyrie]

Yes God allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie. And as they live their truth their understanding of the truth gets more and more deluded as they have been handed over to a debased mind (Romans 1).

But if there isn't a jewish god, if there are no gods at all, no creator aliens, couldn't we say that "nothingness allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie"?
I am not able to tell the difference between this jewish god thing and the nothing being.

I am not saying that I know for a fact that there are no creator gods, or aliens or alien-god things.
I am saying that I have to consider both cases, both universes. From the point of view of a human, from my POV, both universes look identical.

The hope is that by the time someone starts with the premise, "well men and women are more similar than they are different." And uses that as a basis to destroy the fundamental dichotomy of male and female, eventually they reach a place where they cannot utter the phrase, "men can't become women" without fear of being labeled as a bigot. They will begin to see the flaw in their own logic. 
You may not believe in Chris†'s death and resurrection, but what about logical consistency? How deep is your hypocrisy going to go before you turn around and start heading towards a consistent understanding of what's true?

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?" 
I'm glad that my God hands my enemies over to their depraved desire and provides them with a reprobate mind. 
Makes the non-sense easier to spot as time moves forward. They expose themselves and eventually will un-ironically wave a gay pride flag next to a Palestinian flag. 
Seeing no contradiction. 

These fornicators have rejected not just the command of God but also common sense as anyone who is thinking about the greater impact that they have on society would know that you shouldn't be trying to have children with someone whom you would not want to raise children with. That's the reason why "thou shalt not commit adultery" was given to us as a Godly commandment, and that's why so many cultures the world over have frowned on such hedonistic and short-sighted behavior.

A women tends to be someone who likes playing with dolls, playing house, tea cup sets when they are young.
Some of them don't like that kind of stuff. They like doing sports, hunting, outdoor activities. These were called tomboys. Eventually, people began accepting that girls can play sports too. Then, they created professional sports groups.
Is this something that bothers you?

In the past, a women is someone who doesn't go to the front lines during a war. They tend to be nurses. That changed. They can be a soldier, they can join the navy or air force. They can be a doctor.
Are these things that bother you?

Women also tend to have long hair. They like wearing ear rings, makeup, long dresses, long sleeves.
That changed.  Some seem to shave their heads, some have a punky style, a lot of them don't wear makeup, a lot of them wear pants.
Are these things that bother you?

Other than that, there are biological differences between male and female.

Had dolls as a kid, but preferred to spend my time riding my bike, getting into trouble, and generally being trouble.

I play sports. I run, I used to play touch rugby, until I had to stop due to injury.

I skydive, I've bunjee-jumped, and I have a car and bike that make a lot of guys envious.

And I hate dresses and heels. I prefer jeans.

And, I have a career in medicine.

I guess I may be a guy, according to some...

[arewethereyet]

But if there isn't a jewish god, if there are no gods at all, no creator aliens, couldn't we say that "nothingness allows those who avoid the truth to live a lie"?
I am not able to tell the difference between this jewish god thing and the nothing being.

I am not saying that I know for a fact that there are no creator gods, or aliens or alien-god things.
I am saying that I have to consider both cases, both universes. From the point of view of a human, from my POV, both universes look identical.


A women tends to be someone who likes playing with dolls, playing house, tea cup sets when they are young.
Some of them don't like that kind of stuff. They like doing sports, hunting, outdoor activities. These were called tomboys. Eventually, people began accepting that girls can play sports too. Then, they created professional sports groups.
Is this something that bothers you?

In the past, a women is someone who doesn't go to the front lines during a war. They tend to be nurses. That changed. They can be a soldier, they can join the navy or air force. They can be a doctor.
Are these things that bother you?

Women also tend to have long hair. They like wearing ear rings, makeup, long dresses, long sleeves.
That changed.  Some seem to shave their heads, some have a punky style, a lot of them don't wear makeup, a lot of them wear pants.
Are these things that bother you?

Other than that, there are biological differences between male and female.

Had dolls as a kid, but preferred to spend my time riding my bike, getting into trouble, and generally being trouble.

I play sports.  I run, I used to play touch rugby, until I had to stop due to injury.

I skydive, I've bunjee-jumped, and I have a car and bike that make a lot of guys envious.

And I hate dresses and heels.  I prefer jeans.

And, I have a career in medicine.

I guess I may be a guy, according to some...

There is a thread on this forum that would prove either otherwise or that there is a genius plastic surgeon in your world.

[The Valkyrie]

Had dolls as a kid, but preferred to spend my time riding my bike, getting into trouble, and generally being trouble.

I play sports.  I run, I used to play touch rugby, until I had to stop due to injury.

I skydive, I've bunjee-jumped, and I have a car and bike that make a lot of guys envious.

And I hate dresses and heels.  I prefer jeans.

And, I have a career in medicine.

I guess I may be a guy, according to some...

There is a thread on this forum that would prove either otherwise or that there is a genius plastic surgeon in your world.

[Astreja]

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?"

(looks around desk) Apparently women like craft beer, wire their own computer networks, and take college-level chemistry and Attic Greek courses for fun.

And have a Monty Python killer rabbit, a raptor skull and a rubber duck on top of the computer.

[Pat Mustard]

It starts with men laying with men, then it becomes men laying with men who claim to be women. Now we have gender studies professors who can't answer the question "what is a woman?"

(looks around desk)  Apparently women like craft beer, wire their own computer networks, and take college-level chemistry and Attic Greek courses for fun.

And have a Monty Python killer rabbit, a raptor skull and a rubber duck on top of the computer.

Ah so you've been to Caerbannog too?