Hello soulcalm17

[The Grand Nudger]

It seems that doing the contemplation is the advanced human brain can do based on evolution theory. So if your idea was true, there would be at earlier time people not being religious. And as time continue, they developed the idea of that supranatural things, because their brain was developed.
But the fact is otherwise. The discoveries of artifacts always found that human always did many things with God’s stuff. I quoted article from Britannica Encyclopedia :”As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious”.

Sounds like the editors of that encyclopedia need a talking to.  What we find in the archeological record is exactly what you've proposed as evidence for his idea being true.  There's a gap between anatomic and full modernity of approx 100k years at a minimum, with things like religion developing -very- late in the game..around 50kya. It would take another 40k or so before we get to the first inklings of monotheism. Then another 9k to get from there to islam.

[h4ym4n]

Welcome soulcalm17.

I have a suggestion for you and Ferrocyanide. Ferrocyanide's claim of his ability to 'I can tell other people to not offend you. I can tell other people not to respond. In general, people are respectful there. Some try to be funny. I can tell them to not make funny comments.' might violate the forums rules. If you want to keep this discussion between the two of you I'd recommend using PM's. You'll find that function thru 'User CP'.

Hope you enjoy yourself here.

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[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Curious: If you think 'god is a meaningless word', why would you assign a meaning to the word 'god'?

Boru

It is a meaningless word when different people believe that the god(s) is a different thing.

Some people define it as the jewish god.
Some people say that the jewish god is sitting in a chair (Isaiah 6:1)
He has breath and lips. (Isaiah 11:4)
Some people say no. He has no body. The jewish god(s) is a spirit.

Some people say that the god(s) is a light.
Some say the god(s) is a spirit.
Some say that the god(s) is the sum total of the universe.
Some say that the god(s) are just humans from the distance future who went back to the past and initiated the start of the Big Bang.
Some say that we, all humans together, is the god character.
Some say that the god(s) is love.

So, the word means different things to different people.

On the other hand, look at the definition of the word potato. All humans can agree on what that is. There is no confusion. It is well documented. It is observable. You might even find it in some biology textbook.

Then it would seem that the word ‘god’ has many meanings, but is not meaningless.

Boru

[soulcalm17]

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[soulcalm17]

It seems that doing the contemplation is the advanced human brain can do based on evolution theory. So if your idea was true, there would be at earlier time people not being religious. And as time continue, they developed the idea of that supranatural things, because their brain was developed.
But the fact is otherwise. The discoveries of artifacts always found that human always did many things with God’s stuff. I quoted article from Britannica Encyclopedia :”As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious”.

Sounds like the editors of that encyclopedia need a talking to.  What we find in the archeological record is exactly what you've proposed as evidence for his idea being true.  There's a gap between anatomic and full modernity of approx 100k years at a minimum, with things like religion developing -very- late in the game..around 50kya.  It would take another 40k or so before we get to the first inklings of monotheism.  Then another 9k to get from there to islam.

Thanks for the info. Actually whether me or atheist both limited by the difficulty of artifacts findings of the assumptions. But the important point is archaeological findings didn't finish yet. There were always found some new discoveries that can changed our understanding before. For example, the earliest modern human fossil by now is about 300k years ago. But later if we found new fossil that dated 400k years ago, the assumption will change. 
Like "the religion things" discoveries. It could be many new findings in the future. For example, I just already know that the world's oldest ritual was about 70.000 years ago by archeological find in Botswana (source: "World’s oldest ritual discovered. Worshipped the python 70,000 years ago", link:

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Boru

[Belacqua]

Thanks for the info. Actually whether me or atheist both limited by the difficulty of artifacts findings of the assumptions. But the important point is archaeological findings didn't finish yet. There were always found some new discoveries that can changed our understanding before. For example, the earliest modern human fossil by now is about 300k years ago. But later if we found new fossil that dated 400k years ago, the assumption will change. 
Like "the religion things" discoveries. It could be many new findings in the future. For example, I just already know that the world's oldest ritual was about 70.000 years ago by archeological find in Botswana (source: "World’s oldest ritual discovered. Worshipped the python 70,000 years ago", link:

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Naturally people will quibble about the word "religion." Whether every ritual meets their definition of the word. There's always a danger of projecting our modern ideas of religion onto cultures who thought very differently. Still, the evidence from the Botswana site seems to indicate rituals that are aimed at deities. 

These articles are from 2006.

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[arewethereyet]

So Bel, when a person has a link removed by staff, you think it's your job to put it back?

I would rethink that position if I were you.

[Silver]

Evidence of something that was once performed a long time ago is not the equivalent of evidence that the deific concept behind the ritual ever existed outside the mind. If future generations discover archaelogical evidence of a spider-man comic, does that man spider-man was real?