Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?

[Minimalist]

But minimalist, just because no evidence exists, doesn't mean it never existed.

Just call me Min....


And you're right, the truly delusional will never be dissuaded from their silliness. They can however be strafed with facts.

Sometimes it is fun just to fuck with them.

[chi pan]

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts.

the only artifact we have is the shroud of torrin which people argue is the actual shroud that Jeses was burried with. even if we had any works of carpentry how would we know they're his? and no he wasn't a writter but neither was Mohamed and we all know he existed. and no historical evidence? what's all the documents i've provided? they're not in the bible written by skeptics and believers alike so why should they be disregarded?

There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus.

ya sure except for . CORNELIUS TACITUS Annals XV, 44.

All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.

all the works i listed were written within 50 to 100 years of his death. the only one considered to be a fraud is FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS and the others were written by well known historians who would not distort the truth and if they were unsure of his existance they would say the account is unverified.

[Minimalist]

the only artifact we have is the shroud of torrin which people argue is the actual shroud that Jeses was burried with.

Oh, FFS, that's it. You have just been moved on to my HOPELESSLY FUCKING STUPID LIST.

Grow up you fucking moron!

[chi pan]

Oh, FFS, that's it. You have just been moved on to my HOPELESSLY FUCKING STUPID LIST.

Grow up you fucking moron!

am i wrong? i claimed the shroud was found i did not claim it to be genuine. how is this this "STUPID"?

[Shell B]

It's Turin.

[chi pan]

so what? i went to google to figure out how to spell it and that's what it gave me. that doesn't take away from what i said

[Jackalope]

With respect to the shroud, you really didn't say anything of substance at all.

[chi pan]

With respect to the shroud, you really didn't say anything of substance at all.

i very well know this which is why i don't understand why Minimalist is making such a big deal out of it and not addressing anything else i said in that post

[Jackalope]

What was the point of mentioning it at all if it wasn't to support your position?

I believe that Min's point was that pretty much no one knowledgeable doesn't acknowledge that there are serious doubts about the authenticity of the shroud. The evidence indicates that it's not genuine. He would have worded it differently.

[chi pan]

What was the point of mentioning it at all if it wasn't to support your position?

it was to simply say that any artifacts found at that time won't be in good condition and can be dismissed as frauds or claimed they could have belonged to someone else. also how can you take the works of a carpenter and contribute it to them 2000 years later? assuming they actually survived. what artifacts could possibly be found that could be said they belonged to Jesus with absolute certainty?