I will prove to you that God exists

[Sheldon]

The key point is that they are tuned for life to occur.

No, you're simply begging the question. As has been explained countless times, the preponderance of atheism is far higher among scientists, and exponentially higher among elite scientists. I posted objective evidence of this, you ignored it.  

Are you really expecting us to imagine that you, understand what these phenomena evidence, better than the vast majority of elite scientists, among whom atheism and agnosticism is almost universal? Why would we accept a claim so obviously preposterous? 

 Even if the universe "had to be the way it is" for some unknown reason (such as being intentionally caused to exist) its still fine-tuned for life. 

Oh Drew Drew Drew, your whole spiel has used the notion that the universe must be designed, because it could not be "happenstance" that a universe emerged with the properties to allow life to emerge. If no other universe were possible, this would entirely negate that notion, hence @Angrboda asking you how you know those properties can vary. If they can't vary, then not only is this universe emerging not improbable as you keep claiming, it's probability is 1, a nailed on certainty. 

You're offering an objection you admit is only a mere possibility which I seriously doubt you subscribe to.

You are missing the point entirely.

[Sheldon]

Let me present you with an analogy.  Let's say that I come home one day to find a horse in my apartment.  I don't see how it could have come through the door.  Can I conclude that it got there by magic?  Why or why not?

What is that supposed to be analogous to?

To your use of an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, obviously.

[Nay_Sayer]

Order is online. I would like to restate I will convert if he posts his proofs in this thread

[Drew_2013]

The answer of whether the universe and life was intentionally caused or was unintentionally caused by mindless natural forces is up for debate and at this point all anyone has is there opinion. I could be wrong...you could be wrong. Stop pretending its cut and dry and one opinion is obvious and the other preposterous.

Is there some reason you'd rather it was unintentionally caused? Do you have a stake in that belief?

[Sheldon]

Order is online. I would like to restate I will convert if he posts his proofs in this thread

Well, if I were to find his "proof" to be sufficiently compelling evidence for a deity. What are talking about here, mathematical proofs, logical proofs, a tin of magic beans? I doubt he has anything but the usual empty bad theists parade around, as if they have achieved what all other theists have failed to do for millennia.

[Sheldon]

The answer of whether the universe and life was intentionally caused or was unintentionally caused by mindless natural forces is up for debate 

That's a false dichotomy, it remains irrational no matter how often you repeat it. there is also no objective evidence the universe we currently observe was intentionally caused. So that alone is sufficient reason for me to disbelieve your claim, I need entertain no other cause to do this. 

at this point all anyone has is there opinion. 

All you have is subjective and unevidenced opinion, thus I cannot invest belief. I have no opinion about how the universe came to exist. 

I could be wrong...you could be wrong.

False equivalence fallacy, you're making a claim, atheism is not. Again simply repeating this fallacy doesn't make it any less irrational. 

Stop pretending its cut and dry and one opinion is obvious and the other preposterous.

Straw man fallacy...and around and around you go...

Is there some reason you'd rather it was unintentionally caused? 

This has been answered, you're simply projecting. 

Do you have a stake in that belief?

Atheism is not a belief.

[Drew_2013]

What's yours?

About the highest level of certainty we can have is a scientifically established claims that pass the rigors of critique and repeatable experiments that confirm the hypothesis. Unfortunately not all theories can be so tested. 

The second level is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn't mean all doubt is erased but reasonable doubt is.

The third level is a simple preponderance of evidence. In the mind of the beholder there is more evidence in favor of one claim than against it. Or there is more evidence that disfavors the claim than for it.

Evidence are facts that make a claim more or less probable.

That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away. 

I have heard apologists claim that the deity they imagine to be real, transcends logic. I think the irnoy of the claim, as well as the truth of it, is lost on them.

That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.

My arguments aren't fallacious because people can look one up and claim its so. 

1. The fact the universe exists
2. The fact life exists
3. The fact intelligent life exists.
4. The fact the universe has laws of physics, is knowable, uniform and to a large extent predictable, amenable to scientific research and the laws of logic deduction and induction and is also explicable in mathematical terms.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.

Those are objective facts. 

Why does the idea our existence was intentionally caused give you such heartburn? Its not because there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence in favor of natural unintended causes. In the market place of ideas only 5% subscribe to your belief. That's pretty piss poor for a belief you think is obviously supported by evidence. As I recall you admitted no one knows how the universe came into existence. 

[Sheldon]

That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away. 

I have heard apologists claim that the deity they imagine to be real, transcends logic. I think the irnoy of the claim, as well as the truth of it, is lost on them.

That depends on the evidence, and lest we forget you have only present subjective claims, and arguments that are demonstrably irrational, and therefore weak. I don't say this to provoke your ire, I and others have highlighted the many fallacious arguments, and you have chosen to hand wave those objections away.

My arguments aren't fallacious because people can look one up and claim its so. 

Now Drew, do behave, all anyone need do is read this thread to know your arguments have been relentlessly irrational, do you really still imagine you can bluff your way past this? You have used more logical fallacies in this very post...

1. The fact the universe exists
2. The fact life exists
3. The fact intelligent life exists.
4. The fact the universe has laws of physics, is knowable, uniform and to a large extent predictable, amenable to scientific research and the laws of logic deduction and induction and is also explicable in mathematical terms.
5. The fact that in order for intelligent humans to exist requires a myriad of exacting conditions including causing the ingredients for life to exist from scratch.

Those are objective facts. 

The first 4 are, and not one of them represents objective evidence for any deity. The last one is a subjective belief you hold, and as has been explained, we don't know that any other kind of universe is possible, or if very different types of intelligent life might be possible if it were. 
Again you seem to think ignoring rational objections, and endless repetition achieves something, what or why that is, is not clear. 

Why does the idea our existence was intentionally caused give you such heartburn?

It doesn't, why do you keep lying with fallacious straw men? 

 Its not because there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence in favor of natural unintended causes. 

Every cause we understand is natural, and we only have evidence of natural causes, so that's a spectacularly stupid assertion. 

In the market place of ideas only 5% subscribe to your belief. 

Atheism is not a belief, and that's an argumentum ad populum fallacy, so much for your lie that your arguments are not relentlessly fallacious and irrational. 

That's pretty piss poor for a belief you think is obviously supported by evidence. 

Atheism is not a belief, and this is another straw man fallacy, tell us again your arguments are not fallacious and irrational, this is comedy gold man, you're embarrassing yourself, and what for? 

As I recall you admitted no one knows how the universe came into existence. 

Correct, I also stated I have no opinion about how the universe came to exist, but you lack that integrity, and want to pretend you know, when all you have is unevidenced superstition, and irrational arguments.

[Sheldon]

 I think you have.  You've just chosen to ignore them because it's uncomfortable.

I'm not uncomfortable; unlike most atheists I don't deny there is evidence our existence is the result of natural forces. 

Could you quote an atheist here "denying there is evidence our existence is the result of natural forces" please? 

Only that looks like another of your lies,  about atheists and atheism.

[Nay_Sayer]

Order is online. I would like to restate I will convert if he posts his proofs in this thread

Well, if I were to find his "proof" to be sufficiently compelling evidence for a deity. What are talking about here, mathematical proofs, logical proofs, a tin of magic beans? I doubt he has anything but the usual empty bad theists parade around, as if they have achieved what all other theists have failed to do for millennia.

He just has to post what he is sending in PM's and I, Cross my heart, will convert