Anthropomorphizing

[AFTT47]

Can't say I blame the orangutans. What have any of their kind done to deserve this?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Can't say I blame the orangutans. What have any of their kind done to deserve this?

Ook!

Boru

[SubtleVirtue]

Energy is a force of nature, or actually several forces which emerged after the big bang.

No physicist in the world claims that energy was created at the big bang!



but lets assume it could be; then there would be a process or mechanism that we could engineer to create energy!

[Alan V]

Energy is a force of nature, or actually several forces which emerged after the big bang.

No physicist in the world claims that energy was created at the big bang!

but lets assume it could be; then there would be a process or mechanism that we could engineer to create energy!

The conservation of energy applies to closed systems.  It is unclear whether the universe as a whole is such a closed system.

The forces of nature are the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and gravity.  Physicists think that the electromagnetic and the weak force were once united in the electroweak force until the early universe cooled and they split through symmetry breaking.  Stephen Hawking speculated that all of the forces may have similarly evolved in the first moments after the big bang.  What we perceive as certain varieties of energy at lower temperatures were likely not eternally so.

Scientists consider their hypotheses as possibilities until they can be tested, if that ever happens.  You, on the other hand, are jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

[Sheldon]

Energy is a force of nature, or actually several forces which emerged after the big bang.

No physicist in the world claims that energy was created at the big bang!



but lets assume it could be; then there would be a process or mechanism that we could engineer to create energy!

How does this remotely evidence any deity, or deities?

[SubtleVirtue]

No physicist in the world claims that energy was created at the big bang!

but lets assume it could be; then there would be a process or mechanism that we could engineer to create energy!

The conservation of energy applies to closed systems.  It is unclear whether the universe as a whole is such a closed system.

The forces of nature are the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and gravity.  Physicists think that the electromagnetic and the weak force were once united in the electroweak force until the early universe cooled and they split through symmetry breaking.  Stephen Hawking speculated that all of the forces may have similarly evolved in the first moments after the big bang.  What we perceive as certain varieties of energy at lower temperatures were likely not eternally so.

Scientists consider their hypotheses as possibilities until they can be tested, if that ever happens.  You, on the other hand, are jumping to all sorts of conclusions.

All physicists know that the universe is a closed system!

I am not proposing hypothesizes; I deduce scientific facts from axioms that are scientific facts as the truth value of the axioms (in a deduction) transfers to the conclusion.

[SubtleVirtue]

No physicist in the world claims that energy was created at the big bang!



but lets assume it could be; then there would be a process or mechanism that we could engineer to create energy!

How does this remotely evidence any deity, or deities?

(eternality is one of the properties of God)... this evidences Deity by virtue of the identity of indescernibles

[The Grand Nudger]

The trouble for theistic gods isn't the properties the universe does have, but the properties it doesn't which theistic gods purportedly do.

Energy, for example, is not personal or intervening (so it doesn't really matter whether or not it's eternal). The categorical markers of theistic belief by definition. Your capitalization of god, and your discussion of deity, are running all over your pantheism, which doesn't include either thing. Are you familiar with the concept of a religion of nature? The idea that nature itself, without god, gods, God or animating spirits of any kind is metaphysically ultimate and the proper object of religious reverence. How close to your own beliefs do you find that idea?

[SubtleVirtue]

The trouble for theistic gods isn't the properties the universe does have, but the properties it doesn't which theistic gods purportedly do.  

Energy, for example, is not personal or intervening (so it doesn't really matter whether or not it's eternal).  The categorical markers of theistic belief by definition.  Your capitalization of god, and your discussion of deity, are running all over your pantheism, which doesn't include either thing.  Are you familiar with the concept of a religion of nature?  The idea that nature itself, without god, gods, God or animating spirits of any kind is metaphysically ultimate and the proper object of religious reverence.  How close to your own beliefs do you find that idea?

the reason I don't give all my worship to nature is because... to include evil in reality implicates that nature is evil at least to some degree

I worship beauty and morality instead


I am hoping that by worshiping those it helps move reality to 'that reality'

[Thumpalumpacus]

The trouble for theistic gods isn't the properties the universe does have, but the properties it doesn't which theistic gods purportedly do.  

Energy, for example, is not personal or intervening (so it doesn't really matter whether or not it's eternal).  The categorical markers of theistic belief by definition.  Your capitalization of god, and your discussion of deity, are running all over your pantheism, which doesn't include either thing.  Are you familiar with the concept of a religion of nature?  The idea that nature itself, without god, gods, God or animating spirits of any kind is metaphysically ultimate and the proper object of religious reverence.  How close to your own beliefs do you find that idea?

the reason I don't give all my worship to nature is because... to include evil in reality implicates that nature is evil at least to some degree

I worship beauty and morality instead


I am hoping that by worshiping those it helps move reality to 'that reality'

Who cares what you worship? Nature doesn't. I don't, either. Morality and aesthetics are both entirely subjective.