Propaganda and Troll Activities.

[Leonardo17]

Sometimes I’m wondering if I am not going completely paranoid on these issues. Anyone in the 1990’s would have called me “paranoid”. But look at this:




 
 
It’s the Vienna Chamber Orchestra and they came on Invitation in 2017 (It’s probably the Theater of Ephesus or some other place like that). And the tickets to such events are usually not cheap either.
 
What we have here is the result of a 20 year political campaign and activism to protect stray animals. Putting down stray cats and stray dogs has been presented as un-human and un-ethical. The average (educated) Turkish youth will actually argue with you that these animals belong to the street and what you see above is just “normal” or “The more human way of doing things”. You can make a small research on this if you like.
 
So when I see dozens of Pro-Iranian posts on local social media. Things like “Our Brothers in faith are destroying Israel” my subconscious mind (probably) remembers my previous life during the rise to power of the Nazis in the 1930’s.
 
This is very serious stuff here. And since they don’t have the aircrafts, tanks and army to push back on the US. They are turning even more to these techniques of terror, support of terrorist proxies in all parts of the Middle East, cheap propaganda that seems to be based on religion but is 100% disconnected from all real forms of spirituality and war of images and perception. In summary the more you beat them on the ground, the more lies they will spread about you, themselves and everybody else.
 
You know Hitler had this “1000 year Reich” Theory according to which they would rule the whole world when the war is over. They are in that mindset too. We are actually on the edge of the apocalypse. The Anti-Christ and the “Mahdi” or “Messiah” will be there within a month or two. Than the US will be defeated. Than Muslims (their perceptions of Muslims) will rule the world for a 1000 years.
 
That’s why I am highly worried about the more messianic types of Christians and Jews as well. They believe in equally insane religion-based theories. And again: A typical Jew and/or Christian with minimum religious knowledge can explain to you that these theories are not based on real or widely accepted religious dogma but are the invention of some religious minority that are only binding those who are foolish enough to believe them.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Leonardo17

my subconscious mind (probably) remembers my previous life during the rise to power of the Nazis in the 1930’s.

See, it’s ridiculous shite like this that makes it impossible to take you seriously.

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

If you gotta start a thread to explain that you're not a troll, you may just be a troll.

[The Grand Nudger]

That’s why I am highly worried about the more messianic types of Christians and Jews as well. They believe in equally insane religion-based theories. And again: A typical Jew and/or Christian with minimum religious knowledge can explain to you that these theories are not based on real or widely accepted religious dogma but are the invention of some religious minority that are only binding those who are foolish enough to believe them.

There's a reason than messianism runs through every abrahamic faith - and it's not because contemporary lunatics or a minority group are getting it wrong.

You are.  All three branches immediately posited a messianic figure upon their establishment.  What we know today as judaism began in that hope under the rule of the seleucid empire.  Christianity extended it to gentiles in the collapse of the roman state, and big mo's body was barely cold when the islamic world turned on itself and began to cry out for a savior of their own. Moreover, the abrahamic premise itself is that the proper state of the world is a theocratic dictatorship run by an all powerful authoritarian that is the singular fact of the entire universe.

It binds us all, not just those with more faith than you or I, because apocalyptic people now have access to apocalyptic weapons with which to make their ludicrous beliefs true, and a state apparatus to force them on any dissenter. US soldiers are being told by their commanders that the point of the war is to kick off armageddon. As we bomb iran it is held by both american and isreali nuts that donald trump is cyrus the great for our time. Swirl that around in your ironometer.

[Leonardo17]

That’s why I am highly worried about the more messianic types of Christians and Jews as well. They believe in equally insane religion-based theories. And again: A typical Jew and/or Christian with minimum religious knowledge can explain to you that these theories are not based on real or widely accepted religious dogma but are the invention of some religious minority that are only binding those who are foolish enough to believe them.

There's a reason than messianism runs through every abrahamic faith - and it's not because contemporary lunatics or a minority group are getting it wrong.

You are.  All three branches immediately posited a messianic figure upon their establishment.  What we know today as judaism began in that hope under the rule of the seleucid empire.  Christianity extended it to gentiles in the collapse of the roman state, and big mo's body was barely cold when the islamic world turned on itself and began to cry out for a savior of their own. Moreover, the abrahamic premise itself is that the proper state of the world is a theocratic dictatorship run by an all powerful authoritarian that is the singular fact of the entire universe.

It binds us all, not just those with more faith than you or I, because apocalyptic people now have access to apocalyptic weapons with which to make their ludicrous beliefs true, and a state apparatus to force them on any dissenter.  US soldiers are being told by their commanders that the point of the war is to kick off armageddon.  As we bomb iran it is held by both american and isreali nuts that donald trump is cyrus the great for our time.  Swirl that around in your ironometer.

Still, their way of telling things was the way my grandmother presented us the whole things in the early 90’s while putting us to sleep.
 
That image of the messiah is so much more than some superhero that comes to defeat Godzilla and King-Kong in a Mad-Max Fury Road type of planet Earth in the 2000’s.
 
The Messiah is actually this higher spiritual understanding that is the cause of some inner transformation inside every one of us which ends the previous dark-age in spiritual terms and creates a new level of consciousness among humans that will catapult us into a new age in which Humans are both smarter and more civilized in comparison to the previous age. Because these changes are very deep and revolutionary in nature, religious texts describe this as an “Armageddon” or “Final Battle”. But this is an inner battle. It happens inside our consciousness and in the energy level of humanity. Not somewhere in the desert with weapons, atomic bombs, Godzilla’s and other monsters everywhere

[Angrboda]

That's your Moshiach. Your Messiah isn't everybody's Messiah.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still, their way of telling things was the way my grandmother presented us the whole things in the early 90’s while putting us to sleep.
 
That image of the messiah is so much more than some superhero that comes to defeat Godzilla and King-Kong in a Mad-Max Fury Road type of planet Earth in the 2000’s.  

The Messiah is actually this higher spiritual understanding that is the cause of some inner transformation inside every one of us which ends the previous dark-age in spiritual terms and creates a new level of consciousness among humans that will catapult us into a new age in which Humans are both smarter and more civilized in comparison to the previous age. Because these changes are very deep and revolutionary in nature, religious texts describe this as an “Armageddon” or “Final Battle”. But this is an inner battle. It happens inside our consciousness and in the energy level of humanity. Not somewhere in the desert with weapons, atomic bombs, Godzilla’s and other monsters everywhere

Wrong again.  You believe in a metaphoric messiah and a metaphoric end times because you lack faith that the words in magic books say what they mean and mean what they say. People with more faith than you have no need to twist their testicles into knots making things true that way. This belief has persisted despite the frustrations of people like yourself with the source material and outcomes in reality for at least two thousand years. People have been DeeperMeaning™ things since before it was even a twinkle in a fantasists eye. Your impulse sits alongside the idea of magical fortune telling codes than can be tortured out of a given text with the loose application of numerology...and, fwiw, would get you killed in a society run by any of the threes most faithful theocrats. Long story short, they don't want or need your help fixing their magic books. Nothing is wrong with them. Something is wrong with you.

Just as a fun little nugget, it's called armageddon and a final battle because it was, and it happened at megiddo.

[Leonardo17]

Still, their way of telling things was the way my grandmother presented us the whole things in the early 90’s while putting us to sleep.
 
That image of the messiah is so much more than some superhero that comes to defeat Godzilla and King-Kong in a Mad-Max Fury Road type of planet Earth in the 2000’s.  

The Messiah is actually this higher spiritual understanding that is the cause of some inner transformation inside every one of us which ends the previous dark-age in spiritual terms and creates a new level of consciousness among humans that will catapult us into a new age in which Humans are both smarter and more civilized in comparison to the previous age. Because these changes are very deep and revolutionary in nature, religious texts describe this as an “Armageddon” or “Final Battle”. But this is an inner battle. It happens inside our consciousness and in the energy level of humanity. Not somewhere in the desert with weapons, atomic bombs, Godzilla’s and other monsters everywhere

Wrong again.  You believe in a metaphoric messiah and a metaphoric end times because you lack faith that the words in magic books say what they mean and mean what they say.  People with more faith than you have no need to twist their testicles into knots making things true that way.  This belief has persisted despite the frustrations of people like yourself with the source material and outcomes in reality for at least two thousand years.  People have been DeeperMeaning™ things since before it was even a twinkle in a fantasists eye.  Your impulse sits alongside the idea of magical fortune telling codes than can be tortured out of a given text with the loose application of numerology...and, fwiw, would get you killed in a society run by any of the threes most faithful theocrats.  Long story short, they don't want or need your help fixing their magic books.  Nothing is wrong with them.  Something is wrong with you.  

Just as a fun little nugget, it's called armageddon and a final battle because it was, and it happened at megiddo.

This is not just my way of seeing things. Neil DeGrasse Tyson has several videos on this. In fact atheists like him (in many cases) know the scriptures better than average believers. So this leaves us with two option:
 
1) Accepting that most scriptures are simply illogical and stop investing time and energy in that area and using all that time to learn more about science or the writings of great philosophers (which will ultimately also result in some feeling of wellbeing for the average individual who has to face all the chaos and contradictions of this world)
 
2) Asking the most basic questions like “Why would God create such a fearful and challenging situation for mankind? Why would there be one-eyed deceivers and Godzilla monsters to kill humans in such a painful and fearful way?”
 
- The second hypothesis: Humanity becoming more enlightened and gradually mending its ways while at the same time facing its “monsters” of past ages seems like a more possible explanation.
 
/ The atheist explanation can also be very cynical and fatalist at times. Seeing us as brainless apes who basically act according to impulses coming from our physical bodies (which is totally true). But with such a fatalistic approach there is little room for improvement. On the other hand, If we have the entire universe of “God” within us, there is great potential for improvement for all of us here. And I sort of like this idea

[Angrboda]

You're a nutball. Path two depends upon there realistically being a higher understanding that is both achievable and significant. You haven't provided evidence of either. Nor has anybody else. It's just assumed. Which makes the claim that such paths exist based on an ipse dixit argument, which means it's invalid, and your conclusions aren't reliably warranted.

[The Grand Nudger]

The problem you've been having isn't identifying things you like. It's mistaking the things you like for true things.

You would like it better if abrahamism weren't filthy with messianism, so you call it marginal. Incorrect. It is foundational. You would like it better if armageddon were a metaphor for internal struggle. It was not. Now we're adding some projection into you usual mix of wrong. The soul forge and it's fallen man is a cynical and fatalist explanation, and atheism is not the belief that human beings are brainless apes who basically act according to impulses coming from our physical bodies.