Psalm 137:9

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Since you posted this what is your take on what is said, do you see God's approval in this psalm. Do you actually see God speaking in this psalm. Just because God inspires the words a man writes does not mean He approves of the actions of the characters in the story or in this case a song.


OF course not - no god exists that can fulfill all the contradictory claims the bible makes for it - it is nonsense

However - if you really look through the old testament - there are several examples of situations in which the god actually mass murdered people =- especially innocent children - IF those things had actually happened.

THE passover is a great example of the mass murder of the first born of Egypt -=- who were almost (The exception would have been the Pharaoh) all completely innocent of any wrongdoing to deserve to be killed in the action. Especially - when you consider that in ANY population - approximately 21 percent of the people are UNDER age 5 - too young to be able to do anything deserving of being killed alone. And the killings were the act of the god in the fairy tale

THE great flood would be an example of such a mass murder on a grand scale - if it had happened as well. At the supposed time of the flood (claimed 2200-2300BC by the Jewish Calendar). At the time - about 5 million people existed on earth - over a million of them below age 5 . So - the killing all the people on earth would have been a massive mass murder - if it had happened

However - we also know that neither the flood nor the passover happened.

WE have continuous use of the Egyptian Language and continuation of their culture from before creation of the bible to today - so NO worldwide flood happened (Nubia - China - and other countries also spanned the time without incident)

Archeology has pretty much "demolished" the bible as a history
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html


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God kills many in order to better the future events. All those God killed were undoubtably wicked. Example are those who practiced human sacrifice which God repeatedly says is wicked. It can be argued that in his actions, God saved more lives than if he did nothing. If this is the case, people would consider it more cruel for him to allow this constant killing and war than to stop it by killing the right people. Would you fault God for killing Hitler if you knew that he would do what he did?

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God kills many in order to better the future events. All those God killed were undoubtably wicked. Example are those who practiced human sacrifice which God repeatedly says is wicked.

Didn't he see those things happening when he started creation? Why let it happen then?

It can be argued that in his actions, God saved more lives than if he did nothing. If this is the case, people would consider it more cruel for him to allow this constant killing and war than to stop it by killing the right people. Would you fault God for killing Hitler if you knew that he would do what he did?

Well God didn't intervene in Hitler's case.

[chi pan]

God kills many in order to better the future events. All those God killed were undoubtably wicked. Example are those who practiced human sacrifice which God repeatedly says is wicked.

Didn't he see those things happening when he started creation? Why let it happen then?

It can be argued that in his actions, God saved more lives than if he did nothing. If this is the case, people would consider it more cruel for him to allow this constant killing and war than to stop it by killing the right people. Would you fault God for killing Hitler if you knew that he would do what he did?

Well God didn't intervene in Hitler's case.

God lets people do wicked things because he has given them free will. If he simply decided not to allow them choice in these matters, that would make him dishonest. And in hitlers case, he did not intervene for reasons I dont know but my best guess is that the killings of the old testament were important for his word to survive in the grand scheme of things. He will not kill every evil dictator because that again is interfering with free will.

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God lets people do wicked things because he has given them free will. If he simply decided not to allow them choice in these matters, that would make him dishonest. And in hitlers case, he did not intervene for reasons I dont know but my best guess is that the killings of the old testament were important for his word to survive in the grand scheme of things. He will not kill every evil dictator because that again is interfering with free will.

In other words, the preservation of the freewill of a mass murder is more important than saving innocent lives, thus my topic; Freewill of Mass Murderers. What if Hitler had won WWII? Of course you cannot say the victory of the allied forces was due to divine intervention as this will defeat the whole purpose of the freewill concept.

[chi pan]

God lets people do wicked things because he has given them free will. If he simply decided not to allow them choice in these matters, that would make him dishonest. And in hitlers case, he did not intervene for reasons I dont know but my best guess is that the killings of the old testament were important for his word to survive in the grand scheme of things. He will not kill every evil dictator because that again is interfering with free will.

In other words, the preservation of the freewill of a mass murder is more important than saving innocent lives, thus my topic; Freewill of Mass Murderers. What if Hitler had won WWII? Of course you cannot say the victory of the allied forces was due to divine intervention as this will defeat the whole purpose of the freewill concept.

It is tragic to think what would have happened if hitler had won. Definitely genocide of several races and though I can't say God intervened in a supernatural way, I can say it was the will of God for him to lose.

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It is tragic to think what would have happened if hitler had won. Definitely genocide of several races and though I can't say God intervened in a supernatural way, I can say it was the will of God for him to lose.

There goes freewill; out the window.

Goes to show, it was also the will of god to have those millions slaughtered.

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It is tragic to think what would have happened if hitler had won. Definitely genocide of several races and though I can't say God intervened in a supernatural way, I can say it was the will of God for him to lose.

There goes freewill; out the window.

Goes to show, it was also the will of god to have those millions slaughtered.

Just because God uses us for his purpose does not mean he takes away free will. We all have the ability to choose but that doesn't mean things will turn out the way we want them to. We can choose but we still get consequences. We do not control consequence.

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Just because God uses us for his purpose does not mean he takes away free will. We all have the ability to choose but that doesn't mean things will turn out the way we want them to. We can choose but we still get consequences. We do not control consequence.

Rather freewill denied than consequence of freewill.

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Just because God uses us for his purpose does not mean he takes away free will. We all have the ability to choose but that doesn't mean things will turn out the way we want them to. We can choose but we still get consequences. We do not control consequence.

Rather freewill denied than consequence of freewill.

No, free will is not denied by anything. I think you have destany confused with free will. What exactly do we have control over? We have control over what we do, what we think, and how we behave and God does not interfere with any of that period. What we don't have control over is what happens to us, what we receive for our works, and consequences for our choices. God can influence any of these because it is not a part of free will. We can choose what we want but that doesn't mean we will get what we want. We don't choose when we die (exception of suicide) so does that mean we have no free will? No.

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Evidence?