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Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Hitler and Stalin’s mass murders, Gunmen storming schools in USA and killing in numbers, the guy in Norway killing almost a hundred people, the serial rapists, etc, are all examples of the god given gift of freewill to humans.
My question: is preserving the "freewill" of a single mass murderer more important than god intervening and saving the thousands and millions he (mass murderer) kills? What about the torment and life of despair faced by the loved ones of the people who were killed? Human emotion will drive even the most law abiding (be it the law of the land or the unwritten norms of the society) person to contemplate revenge (thus committing a sin). Why did god build the factor of "human emotion" in us then? If freewill was his gift, then people should be able to go about doing anything they want without affecting the emotions of others.
Didn't freewill exist in the early years of the bible? Why do you see verses after verses of god "instructing" someone to do something in the old testament? According to the bible, the freewill concept was set into motion as soon as Adam and Eve committed the first sin. So the characters in the old testament clearly had freewill and god was clearly dictating over their lives. Thus, the freewill concept fails!
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Because god would rather a ten year old get raped than make us all robots, or so I've been told.
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm
(February 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Because god would rather a ten year old get raped than make us all robots, or so I've been told.
Exactly. Extrapolating this concept to the genocides throughout history (and genocides carried out or encouraged by god itself) is a clear indication in the brutality, evil and imperfect nature of god.
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm
(February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm)Forsaken Wrote: Hitler and Stalin’s mass murders, Gunmen storming schools in USA and killing in numbers, the guy in Norway killing almost a hundred people, the serial rapists, etc, are all examples of the god given gift of freewill to humans.
My question: is preserving the "freewill" of a single mass murderer more important than god intervening and saving the thousands and millions he (mass murderer) kills? What about the torment and life of despair faced by the loved ones of the people who were killed? Human emotion will drive even the most law abiding (be it the law of the land or the unwritten norms of the society) person to contemplate revenge (thus committing a sin). Why did god build the factor of "human emotion" in us then? If freewill was his gift, then people should be able to go about doing anything they want without affecting the emotions of others.
Didn't freewill exist in the early years of the bible? Why do you see verses after verses of god "instructing" someone to do something in the old testament? According to the bible, the freewill concept was set into motion as soon as Adam and Eve committed the first sin. So the characters in the old testament clearly had freewill and god was clearly dictating over their lives. Thus, the freewill concept fails!
Adam and Eve had freewill before they sinned. Serial murderers are mentally ill and are not killing from a reasoning stand point, but a mental illness, that over rides reasoning, thus eliminating the process of freewill.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm
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Quote:Adam and Eve had freewill before they sinned. Serial murderers are mentally ill and are not killing from a reasoning stand point, but a mental illness, that over rides reasoning, thus eliminating the process of freewill.
So killing millions is justified, just because someone is insane and made insane by your omniscient god in the first place.
Still does not answer my question; why preserving a freewill of a sinner (remember god is omniscient so he must have sensed this mass murder will ahead of time) is more important than saving the millions he kills?
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Quote:Why did god build the factor of "human emotion" in us then?
Because, if he existed...which apparently he does not....he'd be a dick.
So, with no 'god' to blame it on we must fall back on the simple answer that some people are just murderous bastards and let it go at that.
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm
(February 9, 2012 at 5:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Why did god build the factor of "human emotion" in us then?
Because, if he existed...which apparently he does not....he'd be a dick.
So, with no 'god' to blame it on we must fall back on the simple answer that some people are just murderous bastards and let it go at that.
Why can't our theists "friends" think the same way, is my question? Why do they have to factor in an idea of a superman to explain this simple concept?
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm
I don't know.
I put it down to a basic character flaw in which they feel the need to always think someone is watching them.
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Maybe they should try peeper porn instead of religion?
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RE: Freewill of Mass Murderers
February 9, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I certainly think so. Does murder upset you overmuch, Forsaken?
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