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(May 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Abishalom Wrote: That's not for me to judge. All I'm saying is that the bible does not teach the things that were done by the Catholic church. In fact it clearly speaks out against such things. It's that simple.
On the contrary, if the bible didn't teach the crap, the Church wouldn't be able to justify its actions using the bible. Res ipsa loquitur.
I say this because atheists do not allow any religious symbol or activity in any public place. We are often treated to news stories where the atheist runs to the courts to force their unbelief upon others and demand that a religious token be removed from public view.
Of course, this type of action is done under the misguided idea that atheists are the only members of the public and only they get a say in what goes on in the public spaces.
They also fabricate a clause based upon a bad reading of the constitution to further their secular agenda and twist its use to distort the actions of those who have placed a religious artifact in a public place.
Take for example the lone high school girl who was recently offended by a prayer banner given to a high school by its original graduating class. It didn't matter to her that in the intervening years previous atheistic students had no problem with the banner, that it was not the government establishing a religion and that everyone new it was a gift from grateful hearts.
IF atheists were tolerant, they would not make people or groups spend money they cannot afford to spend defending such innocent acts or force their secular ways upon others. They would see it for what it was, a simple gift, a simple gesture and let it go because such acts do not affect their unbelief.
Sadly, they do not and they become far more intoleerant than they claim religious people are. If they had read the constitution and compared it to the example given, they would have seen that such a gift was NOT the government establishing a religion and they would have left it alone. As it stands, they just made more enemies and caused a lot of hard feelings (to be polite) and demonstrate how hard their hearts really are.
Since atheists do not make up a majority of the public, one would think they would just live quietly in their unbelief frely as they are allowed to do for unbelief is their choice. They should also respect/grant the same freedoms to religious people and ignore their acts if they do not want to be a part of the situation.
But they don't and they force their ways upon others who do not subscribe to their unbelief and that is very wrong and very intolerant.
{now I am betting there will be some unintelligent person spouting the 'establishment clause' but this thread IS NOT about that. IT IS ABOUT the intolerance of atheists. The prime example are all atheist chat forums who mock other people's beliefs, their holy writings, and on it goes. IF the atheist had a better way, they would treat others and their beliefs a lot better than they do but they don't so they are in no position to treat others badly.}
I am extremely intolerant and make no bones about it. However do not assume all atheists are all the same, there's a good boy.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
May 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm (This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 5:07 pm by Abishalom.)
(May 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(May 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Abishalom Wrote: That's not for me to judge. All I'm saying is that the bible does not teach the things that were done by the Catholic church. In fact it clearly speaks out against such things. It's that simple.
On the contrary, if the bible didn't teach the crap, the Church wouldn't be able to justify its actions using the bible. Res ipsa loquitur.
Your logic is way off...
If I say...
"Don't touch that red cup"
and someone decides to tell people...
"touch that red cup"...did I tell him to do that?
Just because some people use the scripture justify their own lusts does not mean it is actually taught in the scripture.
May 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm (This post was last modified: May 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm by Abishalom.)
(May 6, 2012 at 5:10 pm)Epimethean Wrote: When does it dawn on you that you have been getting your ass handed to you soundly and constantly every time you post?
Oh. Right. You're an apologist.
Right just ignore my statements and claim you've addressed them thoroughly because you cannot comprehend (typical).
(May 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm)Abishalom Wrote: Your logic is way off...
If I say...
"Don't touch that red cup"
and someone decides to tell people...
"touch that red cup"...did I tell him to do that?
Just because some people use the scripture justify their own lusts does not mean it is actually taught in the scripture.
If I say, "don't touch that red cup" and you tell people "touch that red cup because he (genkaus) said so" then you are lying and not justifying your action based on my statement.
The church, on the other hand, did justify it using the scripture. That means, the scripture did say "touch that red cup".
(May 6, 2012 at 5:10 pm)Epimethean Wrote: When does it dawn on you that you have been getting your ass handed to you soundly and constantly every time you post?
Oh. Right. You're an apologist.
Right just ignore my statements and claim you've addressed them thoroughly because you cannot comprehend (typical).
When your responses actually address the issues, you may be taken more seriously.
(May 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm)DeeTee Wrote: No, I said what I wanted to say and came back to read some of the comments. They just weren't good enough to continue discussion. They were the typical irresponsible comments and attacks one expects on forums like this one.
Well, I'll make a mental note not to bother responding to any of your future threads.