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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?

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Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 3:58 pm (This post was last modified: August 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm by Cyberman.)
(August 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm)ThomM Wrote: While there are real places and things in the bible - the fact that there is a Kansas in no way proves that the Wizard of OZ is a real person - or even that Glinda is a good witch.

A little off-topic, but Glinda was never a good witch.

Quote:If you've seen or read 'Wicked,' you might have a more sympathetic view of the Wicked Witch of the West. But 'Wicked' doesn't go far enough, since it ignores the fact that the movie features one of the most brilliantly conniving movie villains ever.

Glinda, not the Wicked Witch of the West, is the cause for everything that goes wrong for Dorothy and her new friends in the land of Oz, and she starts instigating the film's central conflict the second Dorothy shows up.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Let me be the first gust of this shitstorm...

(August 23, 2012 at 3:19 pm)ThomM Wrote: WE have not a single document that can be dated to the supposed time of the christ - that mentions his name. NONE at all.

Sure there is, if we stretch the definition of "his time" just a tad. After all, the Testimonium Flavianum provides an excellent testimony of an orthodox Jew proclaiming Jesus was the Messiah, and what's not to believe about that. And this was written only three hundred years after Jesus when Eseubius wrote the whole thing.

Josephus was dictating from beyond the grave, obviously. It was a method of getting out of Hell. He had such a great lawyer.

Quote:WE have no remains and no remains of his supposed family.

Are you kidding? We have all kinds of bones and artifacts that the Catheylick Church made a fortune selling or putting on display. I hear tell they have at least three foreskins from the circumsized Jesus. Seriously...

Quote:THERE is no historical evidence for the christ as a real person or being.

The Gospels ARE historical documents.

Why is the movie from "Galaxy Quest" playing in the background?

Quote:THERE is evidence (the bible) of a religious fairy tale that includes the christ. Since large portions of the bible have already been determined to be of dubious origin - lacking reality - or actually contradicting known facts - it is only of use to establish the christ as the Iliad can establish that Hercules lived.

Where the Bible conflicts with reality, I believe the Bible. THAT is the power of faith!

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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 7:10 pm
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Sure there is, if we stretch the definition of "his time" just a tad. After all, the Testimonium Flavianum provides an excellent testimony

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NONSENSE - Jospehus did not live during the supposed time of the christ and COULD not be an eye witness -

And the oldest Manuscripts we have of any of Jospehus' writings are in Greek and date to the 10the century AD - which is streaching the time - 1000 years.










[quote]WE have no remains and no remains of his supposed family. [/quote]

Are you kidding? We have all kinds of bones and artifacts that the Catheylick Church made a fortune selling or putting on display.

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And none are bones of the christ or his family that can be established










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[quote]THERE is no historical evidence for the christ as a real person or being.[/quote]

The Gospels ARE historical documents.
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No more than the Koran or the Iliad and Odyssey are historical documents
THEY may be documents of history - but historical (IE true) they cannot be established to be)

Much of what is in the bible is NOT true - and every day more is proven not to be true.








[quote]THERE is evidence (the bible) of a religious fairy tale that includes the christ. Since large portions of the bible have already been determined to be of dubious origin - lacking reality - or actually contradicting known facts - it is only of use to establish the christ as the Iliad can establish that Hercules lived.
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Where the Bible conflicts with reality, I believe the Bible. THAT is the power of faith!

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HAHAHAHA

So - you live on a flat earth that is stationary in the sky -built on pilars - and and has a moon that emits light - and you can safely eat every seed bearing plant on earth - I suggest you try some Olenader - and get back to me after to raise again from the dead
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Would it spoil the fun if I were to point out that one of the correspondents on this page is being satirical? Hint - it's not me this time.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Would it spoil the fun if I were to point out that one of the correspondents on this page is being satirical? Hint - it's not me this time.


No - but it is obvious I missed that one -
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 8:14 pm
A question to the skeptics: Why do you believe Jesus of Nazareth was not a real person?
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Because real people do not come back from the fucking dead.
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 8:18 pm (This post was last modified: August 23, 2012 at 8:18 pm by Cyberman.)
(August 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm)ThomM Wrote: Would it spoil the fun if I were to point out that one of the correspondents on this page is being satirical? Hint - it's not me this time.


No - but it is obvious I missed that one -

I don't want to be overly obvious, then again I don't really want to be overly obscure, but the only other people you're likely to encounter on the net who have trademarked the phrase "True Christian" are over at Landover Baptist; a well-known and wickedly satirical parody of a typical fundamentalist Baptist Church.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Any Evidence For A Historical Jesus?
August 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm
(August 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because real people do not come back from the fucking dead.
People say Elvis came back from the dead. Does that mean he wasn't a real person?
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