Fundamentalist Trekkies....

[The Grand Nudger]

You want to see Star Trek butchered? Try to play STO, my B'Rel can barely butcher a goddamned Federation shuttle...... but barely is enough I suppose. Qapla!

[Autumnlicious]

They were ages 25 to 30 with the exception of Chekov who was 18. They're hardly "kids." In TOS they were in their mid thirties so the movie being set before their five year mission, the ages are about right.

Except that the dumbass movie ends up with Kirk mysteriously in command well ahead of time, glossing over EVERYTHING prior to his career (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/James_T....or_officer).

He never started out with command in a star ship, he got it after Pike was relieved of command at age 31.

The fucking movie completely takes a shit on http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Obsession_(episode) dumping it in favor of JJ Abrams steam punk fantasy. (BTW Obsession is one of my favorite episodes as it deals with survivor guilt and second guessing oneself).

You're forgetting that Spock is half human half vulcan who's struggling with emotions. He just lost his entire planet a few minutes before the fight scene and Kirk was trying to get him to fight so he'd take control of the ship.

Except that NO PROFESSIONAL crew would ALLOW the captain, or any other MILITARY officer, to assault a prisoner on the bridge. That's not just barbaric and out of place, but is conduct unbecoming of an officer and worthy of a letter of concern or even reprimand.

Also, that's NOT the Spock I knew from TOS, who remained logical under the most duress, excepting for the incident with the Omicron Ceti III spores which was chemically induced.

Also, what about Spocks "No. Just let them die" part? That is totally out of character. Totally revenge based, totally emotional. Logical my ass. He might as well be a full blooded terran.

And by your silly age standards, Spock should be much older and thus much more controlled. A vulcan losing control?

That shit got pioneered in Enterprise with T'Pal and her addiction to Trellium-D.

So yeah, let me call you out on your bullshit -- Star Trek, the new movie, totally rewrote the characters in lieu of something else.

As for what Nero's gang was doing, IDK. I think I read they were supposedly on that Klingon prison planet for a little while and then they escaped. I imagine they were planning the destruction of the Vulcan planet the whole time.

That is so weak and you know it.

They possess a mining ship from the future that Uhura overheard blew up an entire FLEET of Klingon D7 Cruisers, the most POWERFUL Klingon warships in TOS era.

What were they doing while Nero was locked up? Having a party?

The plot hole is large enough to drive a comet through.

[jonb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbOC0uoKYtU

I enjoy trek, but I would not analyse it that way madness lies.
Capitalist guns for instance that not only remove the person, but all their possessions as well.

[Cyberman]

There is a deleted scene from Abrams'... effort, which shows Nero after being grabbed by the Klingons. It's supposed to explain why he waited eighteen years or whatever it is before actually doing anything, but really it rips off the Ceti Eel scene from Wrath of Khan.

[Autumnlicious]

I stand somewhat corrected.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that super-space-mining ship from the future is AWOL for the better part of two decades.

[Cyberman]

Agreed. It's just a lazy writing trick to stick one set of characters in a cupboard until you need them to prop up the plot. Star Trek: Generations did the same with Kirk.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

They were ages 25 to 30 with the exception of Chekov who was 18. They're hardly "kids." In TOS they were in their mid thirties so the movie being set before their five year mission, the ages are about right.

Except that the dumbass movie ends up with Kirk mysteriously in command well ahead of time, glossing over EVERYTHING prior to his career (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/James_T....or_officer).

This is a new timeline! All previous Star Trek history after the Kelvin incident is now relegated to the old timeline. It's not going to follow the same series of events.

You're forgetting that Spock is half human half vulcan who's struggling with emotions. He just lost his entire planet a few minutes before the fight scene and Kirk was trying to get him to fight so he'd take control of the ship.

Except that NO PROFESSIONAL crew would ALLOW the captain, or any other MILITARY officer, to assault a prisoner on the bridge. That's not just barbaric and out of place, but is conduct unbecoming of an officer and worthy of a letter of concern or even reprimand.

Except that the Enterprise was under state of emergency. Who knows why they didn't intervene? It can plausible have been the bystander effect. And Spock immediately relieved himself of duty!

Also, that's NOT the Spock I knew from TOS, who remained logical under the most duress, excepting for the incident with the Omicron Ceti III spores which was chemically induced.

Again, we're in another timeline. And this is younger Spock than was in TOS.

Also, what about Spocks "No. Just let them die" part? That is totally out of character. Totally revenge based, totally emotional. Logical my ass. He might as well be a full blooded terran.

Nero asked to die. And they could have been a threat to the Enterprise if they beamed aboard.

And by your silly age standards, Spock should be much older and thus much more controlled. A vulcan losing control?

Spock is the same age as Kirk, which in the movie was 26 if I remember correctly.

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They possess a mining ship from the future that Uhura overheard blew up an entire FLEET of Klingon D7 Cruisers, the most POWERFUL Klingon warships in TOS era.
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The mining vessel was ENORMOUS. And in the official IDW comics written by the people who wrote the movie, the mining vessel was significantly enhanced by Borg technology for the purpose of waging war against the federation!

[Cyberman]

That's another reason I disliked the film; it was written so sloppily that it relied, no depended, on the audience buying merchandise just to get the story.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

That's another reason I disliked the film; it was written so sloppily that it relied, no depended, on the audience buying merchandise just to get the story.

I don't see why the things supplied in the comics would be something the average movie goer would care about. Old Spock's mindmeld with Kirk I thought explained everything adequately. Without knowledge of the comics, you could say that the weapons are typical of a 24th century Romulan vessel and are only effective against the federation fleet because they're in the 23rd century now with significantly inferior technology. Or maybe they upgraded their ship during the nearly three decades they were in the 23rd century.

[Cyberman]

The point is the film relied on the comics and whatever other merchandise is applicable, such as the novelisation, to fill in the holes that should have been covered in the film. I have some limited screenwriting experience and a working knowledge of the craft (I just missed by that much having one of my scripts read by Douglas Adams); I watched the film with that background in mind and saw straight away where at least one more rewrite was sorely needed.