Atheism +

[Red Celt]

We are…
Atheists plus we care about social justice,
Atheists plus we support women’s rights,
Atheists plus we protest racism,
Atheists plus we fight homophobia and transphobia,
Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism.

I thought that was called socialism?

Really?

[Creed of Heresy]

"Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism."

Uhh...yeah, that's how pretty much every fucking atheist comes to become an atheist.

They're all about social justice, eh? Then why aren't they speaking up about women who have consentual sex with men and then accuse the man of raping her because the bitch is psycho? No, seriously, I've not only heard of it happening, it happened to a friend of mine. He got locked in jail and is now a registered sex offender because he had sex with a woman who came on to him, his life is ruined and he can't find work because the fact he is a sex offender puts him really low on the list of consideration for any kind of employment, and he is now an alcoholic suffering from severe depression and suicidal tendencies.

I hear lots of Atheism+ members talking about how all women must be elevated but I don't hear a thing about the shit that they do that is downright heinous. In fact I tried to bring this up and was attacked by no less than six different feminazis telling me why I was such an evil chauvinistic pig-man and how "rape isn't funny." Yeah neither is one of your friends' lives being destroyed by some psycho bitch, either.

[jonb]

So tragic to see that the same problems we see in religion can crop up in the very organizations that oppose them.

For me the key word is organisation. The problem with religion is that its adherents think that rules thought up two thousand years ago in the middle east should apply forever. If an Organisation is set up that is not adaptable, yes it will just become a means of suppression. On the other-hand if it can adapt to new ideas then there is little need for factions, and then competing organisations, as discussions can take place within the group. I am an atheist that comes at the issue in a different way to many others here, but as far as I know nobody feels the need to exclude me, and I am very interested in what is being said by those I do not necessarily agree with. So this place feels to me like a good way to think about how we might set up future organisations which are open and not just reproduce old closed religious organisations.

[Creed of Heresy]

So tragic to see that the same problems we see in religion can crop up in the very organizations that oppose them.

For me the key word is organisation. The problem with religion is that its adherents think that rules thought up two thousand years ago in the middle east should apply forever. If an Organisation is set up that is not adaptable, yes it will just become a means of suppression. On the other-hand if it can adapt to new ideas then there is little need for factions, and then competing organisations, as discussions can take place within the group. I am an atheist that comes at the issue in a different way to many others here, but as far as I know nobody feels the need to exclude me, and I am very interested in what is being said by those I do not necessarily agree with. So this place feels to me like a good way to think about how we might set up future organisations which are open and not just reproduce old closed religious organisations.

This is exactly why I oppose Atheism+ more than anything else. The attempt to organize atheism into a creed. I rather like the way atheism has been so far, but Atheism+ is trying to dot his thing where it attacks atheists. That's all its purpose is; to try to say that they're better than the rest of us, just because that's what THEY think. And it doesn't help that the non-atheist community largely considers Atheism+ as just an atheist movement that has been hijacked by feminazis...which is exactly what it is, mind you, but still.

Maybe it had better motives earlier. But it criticizes atheism more than anything else, largely because of the agendas on the minds of its organizers.

You need no further evidence of this than their whole "we are atheists plus..." thing. Social justice is mentioned and then women's rights. Women's rights is a part of social justice, the fact they had to add that means that that is SPECIFICALLY what they're fighting for. Social justice in general encompasses most of what they said, but still, I cannot help but notice that "women's rights" came up before racism and bigotry...

[TaraJo]

"Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism."

Uhh...yeah, that's how pretty much every fucking atheist comes to become an atheist.

In their case, I don't think so. I've talked to some of them and I've seen something that seems to happen with them: they were feminists (or feminazis) long before they were atheists. Feminism promoted atheism, not because they found no reason to believe in any god or because of skepticism or critical thinking, but because religion has been so responsible for sexist gender roles and sexual oppression. The problem is, instead of being religious fundamentalists/extremists, so many of them have turned into feminist fundamentalists/extremists. Different ideology, same unquestioning sheep mentality.

If you really want to make them explode and go through some really bizarre mental/verbal gymnastics, show them this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

[Red Celt]

That..... that's a little disturbing but funny at the same time. I don't know if I should be glad it's not animated (the elevator scene is way too easy to loop).

Ask and ye shall receive...

[Reforged]

"Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism."

Uhh...yeah, that's how pretty much every fucking atheist comes to become an atheist.

In their case, I don't think so. I've talked to some of them and I've seen something that seems to happen with them: they were feminists (or feminazis) long before they were atheists. Feminism promoted atheism, not because they found no reason to believe in any god or because of skepticism or critical thinking, but because religion has been so responsible for sexist gender roles and sexual oppression. The problem is, instead of being religious fundamentalists/extremists, so many of them have turned into feminist fundamentalists/extremists. Different ideology, same unquestioning sheep mentality.

If you really want to make them explode and go through some really bizarre mental/verbal gymnastics, show them this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Just confirms my suspicion that the majority of people are weak, cowardly hypocrites.

[KichigaiNeko]

Atheism +....

Like an orgasm/ over in 0.33 seconds

meh

[TaraJo]

Now we just need to wait for her to find it, call it misogyny and spend an entire blog post bitching about it. Is it wrong that I look forward to that happening?

[Red Celt]

Now we just need to wait for her to find it, call it misogyny and spend an entire blog post bitching about it. Is it wrong that I look forward to that happening?

In the Atheism+ forum, if you try searching for the word "rape" it fails, because it gets too many hits.

And that has nothing to do with actual rape, with sincere sympathies & understanding. It's to do with Thought Crime taken to a whole new level... pre-Thought Crime. Yep, every man is a potential rapist. Even the "good guys".

The place is such a mess.

At the moment, they're busy telling men that they have no input when it comes to abortions. That is partly true, but the truer picture is that other women also have no input when it comes to a woman making that decision. But that's too messy and gets in the way of them just hating all men.