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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 2:01 am
(October 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm)Amphora Wrote: What you say is right women can be loving, nurturing, and caring. But there is more than meets the eye can see with females. 
Quote:Like they're NOT naturally those things you mean.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
Right you are, but stating the obvious.
(October 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm)Amphora Wrote: most men are wrong, and they don't admit it when they are wrong
Quote:Maybe it's their masculine nature? Maybe there's a corresponding evolutionary reason for 'maleness' too 
RIGHT you are again!
But in this MALE dominated society women are poor definless little lambs without men to take care of them!
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 2:16 am
To you it's obvious, to C it's new and controversial.
I agree with you about the male dominance. However I celebrate the difference and personally try not to discriminate against any position on the spectrum. Problems arise when people put down a particular trait. People abuse power, that's a fact. To get back to the original point... I certainly don't think the female propensity for love is in any way a weakness.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 2:39 am
(October 22, 2009 at 2:16 am)fr0d0 Wrote: To you it's obvious, to C it's new and controversial.
I agree with you about the male dominance. However I celebrate the difference and personally try not to discriminate against any position on the spectrum. Problems arise when people put down a particular trait. People abuse power, that's a fact. To get back to the original point... I certainly don't think the female propensity for love is in any way a weakness.
Ah I see. I agree people abuse their power. Thats nice to think that one guy thinks female propensity for love is in an way a weakness.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 3:04 am
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... Odd then... that it is the female mantis which bites off the males head...
Yes, it is 'new?' and extremely controversial to me that I am dominated exclusively by males in any way. I see it as being dominated by a person... and I do not think that either sex is exclusive to any single trait listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_trait ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Factors.jpg )
(Or in fact, ANY personality traits... and about the 'male domineering': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bdsm Quote:BDSM is practiced in all social strata and is common in both heterosexual and homosexual men and women in varied occurrences and intensities.
I do not (at least yet) believe what seems to me a ridiculous claim that females or males are exclusive in any way more than a few body parts.
Men need love just as much as women do... and both can live without it entirely... although the 'psycho-connectedness?' of love is beneficial for one's emotional and mental state... and as a result the physical state usually also sees improvements.
We are not really that different at all... we are just raised differently, with the knowledge that we are somehow different...
All apparent 'male' and 'female' traits are just self-fulfilling prophecies... every single one of them.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 3:29 am
Nonsense C. That road leads to mental instability. You need to face up to your physical makeup not deny it.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 3:39 am
*Laugh most bitter and derisive*
So I am to play the bad actor for the rest of my life... never to take off the makeup or remove the wig... forever in costume for the nonexistent masquerade?
I should know "that road"... of looking in the mirror... and understanding that who you see is not you... and that it leads to terrible depression, insanity, and many other painful things...
But the truth is nonsense? Hogwash.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 3:47 am
Face reality C. You are a female. You are human. You are not male. There is nothing wrong with female traits in humans, likewise male. Personalities range on a spectrum between the two, and most ppl of a particular sex display the attributes of that sex. Neither is better or worse, both compliment each other. Whatis your problem with that??
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 4:17 am
<Dark giggle> Oh fr0d0... if only you knew... and if only I could defend all of my points without placing a spotlight on myself in the process... on a stage facing an audience of rocket launchers, shrouded in the darkness. Don't bother asking me what I mean, fr0d0, for you will meet but silence.
See... things are not as simple as you would have them fr0d0... sadly I cannot draw a picture without also painting a bulls eye... But at least understand that personalities are irrespective of sex (and even gender) altogether (as BDSM should easily help illustrate).
Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity Quote:Gender identity (otherwise known as core gender identity) is the gender(s), or lack thereof, a person self-identifies as. It is not necessarily based on biological fact, either real or perceived, nor is it always based on sexual orientation. The gender identities one may choose from include: male, female, both, somewhere in between ("third gender"), or neither.[1][2][3]
Gender identity ties in greatly with what you are trying to say... but you should know that it is a type of self-identification... which is what one perceives their personality to be. Personality is the base of gender identity, and so i absolutely cannot comprehend how you are considering it to be the other way around.
There is no 'female trait', and there is no 'male trait'. Name a single one trait that is not shared by both sexes... and by this I mean any single personality that is reliant on wether a person is male, or female, or intersex, or anything else. More logical than that: name a single personality trait that is exclusive to a single gender identity (which is built atop self-personality to begin with).
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 7:43 am
(October 22, 2009 at 4:17 am)Saerules Wrote: <Dark giggle> Oh fr0d0... if only you knew... and if only I could defend all of my points without placing a spotlight on myself in the process... on a stage facing an audience of rocket launchers, shrouded in the darkness. Don't bother asking me what I mean, fr0d0, for you will meet but silence.
See... things are not as simple as you would have them fr0d0... sadly I cannot draw a picture without also painting a bulls eye... But at least understand that personalities are irrespective of sex (and even gender) altogether (as BDSM should easily help illustrate).
Ah right I see - it all becomes clear now.
(October 22, 2009 at 4:17 am)Saerules Wrote: Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity Quote:Gender identity (otherwise known as core gender identity) is the gender(s), or lack thereof, a person self-identifies as. It is not necessarily based on biological fact, either real or perceived, nor is it always based on sexual orientation. The gender identities one may choose from include: male, female, both, somewhere in between ("third gender"), or neither.[1][2][3]
Gender identity ties in greatly with what you are trying to say... but you should know that it is a type of self-identification... which is what one perceives their personality to be. Personality is the base of gender identity, and so i absolutely cannot comprehend how you are considering it to be the other way around.
There is no 'female trait', and there is no 'male trait'. Name a single one trait that is not shared by both sexes... and by this I mean any single personality that is reliant on wether a person is male, or female, or intersex, or anything else. More logical than that: name a single personality trait that is exclusive to a single gender identity (which is built atop self-personality to begin with).
No I think you're trying to confuse things here. I conceded already that the spectrum is not fixed but that a character defined feminine would have these traits. 'Most' females fall into the feminine fold, otherwise we couldn't call it feminine. I am certainly not arguing that all women have to be feminine and all men have to be masculine. I believe you introduced that. It isn't my interest here at all.
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RE: Ladies, are you Atheists?
October 22, 2009 at 11:44 am
Sae,
I agree with Fr0d0 and think he is only saying the most females will exhibit female traits while most males will exhibit male traits. The fact that there are exceptions really only means that there are exceptions, not that all traits are equally represented by both genders.
And to this paragraph:
Quote:<Dark giggle> Oh fr0d0... if only you knew... and if only I could defend all of my points without placing a spotlight on myself in the process... on a stage facing an audience of rocket launchers, shrouded in the darkness. Don't bother asking me what I mean, fr0d0, for you will meet but silence.
all I can say is what the fuck! I think you have played one to many first person shooters!
It seems that you believe that everything is up for grabs and people are all wildly different and DO NOT fit within roles defined by gender, job, geographic location and whatnot, but the fact is that people are not wildly different, for the most part, but fit within a distribution based on all the factors that contribute to personality. This is why I was trying to expose you to statistics so you could start to comprehend that reality does conform more often than not and exceptions are just that... exceptions to the very well defined rule.
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