Non-religious evidence for existence of God

[paulpablo]

So if god created everything and mutations only cause harm why did god create things which mutate?

[Joel]

He didn't admit it.

He gave a maybe it's possible to a question he was pressured to answer.
Just like it may possible there are gronignhd*-colored unicorns with three horns - not one - living in the centre of saturn.
I'm not admitting there are, I'm saying may. There's a huge difference.

*It's a color we don't know of, yet.

[Esquilax]

but how did that happen, since mutations are allways harmful. and even if it was trough mutations, it is very difficult to swallow that non-thinking nature create parts for the future engine and put the on correct places.

Mutations are always harmful? Huh. You understand that you're so very, very wrong when you say that, right? If not, here's a list of beneficial mutations observed in nature: http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html

And here's the same list, but for humans: http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/evo...-in-humans

So... you know, wrong.

no they are are not help anytime,

Hoo boy, that's a long passage you undoubtedly copy/pasted from elsewhere, in aid of a claim that is demonstrably wrong...

like what, give me an example

Well, keeping with the sperm example, how about infertile people? In some cases it's not about low production of sperm, but low motility; the sperm exist, they just don't have the correct tail structure to move about. Now, if your god has designed this, why would he bother then ensuring that it's implemented incorrectly?

but how can you believe this man?

if nature cant think, how can stuff just emerge out of nowhere and let say

It didn't emerge out of nowhere. I believe I've told you this before. It's a culmination of generations of small changes. There's no design, the pieces aren't moving toward some goal, they each serve their own individual function and then, over time, alter to the point that they serve a new function in the body. Think of it like this: you can use your car to transport yourself, but you can also use it to hit and kill people. That doesn't mean the car was made with both purposes in mind.

Now i need a stator for my future motor, and then i need to develop rotor, and after i finished with that i need alo clutch

Can I ask why you continue saying this when it's been explained to you several posts back? Are you incapable of understanding, or just lying in the hopes that it makes your argument more credible?

i really dont know how you people can beleive in this and you call yourself logical people, that is nonsence in myu opinion.

Well, we can't be held responsible for your inability or unwillingness to learn, now can we?

engine is like a puzzle, parts on correct places, to put puzzles you need to think, and yo uadmitted that nature does not think. why is it so difficult for you to accept that God is the creator?

Because there's no evidence for your god, but plenty of evidence for evolution. And you can keep making this comparison to puzzles and engines all you want, but that doesn't follow that the comparison is apt; it's not. You're basing your arguments on fundamentally flawed logic not based on evidence because it feels correct to you.

[Something completely different]

Wasnt there a thread about the design argument recently?

I think cato123 posted that video in it`s response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN8HMgQ

which screws the design argument

[ciko83]

but do you know that even one of the greatest atheist richard dakwins also admit that there is inteligent design in nature
look for your self

LIAR!

It's becoming increasingly likely that you're just an idiot, but in case you're not, let me explain: that video is a common quote mine of Dawkins, overflowing with dishonesty. If you'd actually listen to what was said, you'd see he was, when asked if there was any hypothetical way that intelligent design could be possible, giving his best guess. It's in no way an admission, it's Dawkins doing a thought experiment. It's imagination.

And besides, did you even fucking listen to his answer? Because he certainly didn't say anything about a creator god, did he? He said that it's possible alien designers created life on earth, otherwise known as a possible interpretation of a theory called Panspermia. So even his supposed "admission" of intelligent design doesn't confirm what you are saying it does.

Now, will you admit you were either lying or wrong, there? Will you be man enough to do that, or will you confirm my early diagnosis of idiocy and continue doing what you're doing regardless of arguments against you?

go back to the video at 1:15 seconds where he says

"you may find evidence for inteligent design if you look at deatils in bio chemistry...."

of course he does not admit it is God, but he admits there is evidence for inteligent design. and that is just what i wanted to hear from him, does not care if he beleives it was aliens or super civilisation.

LIAR!

It's becoming increasingly likely that you're just an idiot,

this is how atheism teach you how to behave towards people

[Something completely different]

this is how atheism teach you how to behave towards people

Typical to take refuge in a supposed "moral high ground" by pointing fingers, you obviously dont have an argument.


Now can you explain how the universe is supposedly "fine tuned" when it clearly isnt.

[ciko83]

that is nonsence in myu opinion.

And in my opinion, your opinion is nonsense. Believing without evidence.

Even if everything you post, somehow, proves evolution wrong: the default position is not Goddidit. It doesn't lend any credence to your God hypothesis.

Believing without evidence.

i dont beleive in anything without evidence, but for me natural engines are clear evidence for me that there is creator, and i have studied quran and i have seen evidence that same creator of the nature and quran is God.

Even if everything you post, somehow, proves evolution wrong: the default position is not Goddidit. It doesn't lend any credence to your God hypothesis.

if God did not do it then who did it? if God in quran claims it was he who did it, then it is up to you to study that book an dsee if it is really from him, but YOU ATHEISTS DONT DO THAT.

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He didn't admit it.

He gave a maybe it's possible to a question he was pressured to answer.
Just like it may possible there are gronignhd*-colored unicorns with three horns - not one - living in the centre of saturn.
I'm not admitting there are, I'm saying may. There's a huge difference.

*It's a color we don't know of, yet.

no, go back again to the video and listen carefully what he say at 1:15 sec.

[Joel]

if God did not do it then who did it?

This is partially an argument from ignorance.

Nobody did it. There is no need to say who did it.

I listened to that part of the video. He never admits anything, or mentions God... Just as I said.
I think you should listen to it.

[ciko83]

but how did that happen, since mutations are allways harmful. and even if it was trough mutations, it is very difficult to swallow that non-thinking nature create parts for the future engine and put the on correct places.

Mutations are always harmful? Huh. You understand that you're so very, very wrong when you say that, right? If not, here's a list of beneficial mutations observed in nature: http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html

And here's the same list, but for humans: http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/evo...-in-humans

So... you know, wrong.

no they are are not help anytime,

Hoo boy, that's a long passage you undoubtedly copy/pasted from elsewhere, in aid of a claim that is demonstrably wrong...

like what, give me an example

Well, keeping with the sperm example, how about infertile people? In some cases it's not about low production of sperm, but low motility; the sperm exist, they just don't have the correct tail structure to move about. Now, if your god has designed this, why would he bother then ensuring that it's implemented incorrectly?

but how can you believe this man?

if nature cant think, how can stuff just emerge out of nowhere and let say

It didn't emerge out of nowhere. I believe I've told you this before. It's a culmination of generations of small changes. There's no design, the pieces aren't moving toward some goal, they each serve their own individual function and then, over time, alter to the point that they serve a new function in the body. Think of it like this: you can use your car to transport yourself, but you can also use it to hit and kill people. That doesn't mean the car was made with both purposes in mind.

Now i need a stator for my future motor, and then i need to develop rotor, and after i finished with that i need alo clutch

Can I ask why you continue saying this when it's been explained to you several posts back? Are you incapable of understanding, or just lying in the hopes that it makes your argument more credible?

i really dont know how you people can beleive in this and you call yourself logical people, that is nonsence in myu opinion.

Well, we can't be held responsible for your inability or unwillingness to learn, now can we?

engine is like a puzzle, parts on correct places, to put puzzles you need to think, and yo uadmitted that nature does not think. why is it so difficult for you to accept that God is the creator?

Because there's no evidence for your god, but plenty of evidence for evolution. And you can keep making this comparison to puzzles and engines all you want, but that doesn't follow that the comparison is apt; it's not. You're basing your arguments on fundamentally flawed logic not based on evidence because it feels correct to you.

Mutations are always harmful? Huh. You understand that you're so very, very wrong when you say that, right? If not, here's a list of beneficial mutations observed in nature:

i mean mutations like growing new organs, i dont account bacterias addaptive method mutation.

Well, keeping with the sperm example, how about infertile people? In some cases it's not about low production of sperm, but low motility; the sperm exist, they just don't have the correct tail structure to move about. Now, if your god has designed this, why would he bother then ensuring that it's implemented incorrectly?

what about that we ask him this question

God answers to you from Quran:

42:49 God has control of the heavens and the earth; He creates whatever He will- He grants female offspring to whoever He will,
50 Or He bestows both males and females, and He(God) leaves infertile some according to His Laws. For, verily, He is the all Knowing Appointer of designs.

It didn't emerge out of nowhere. I believe I've told you this before. It's a culmination of generations of small changes.

but that is illogical that stuff evolve thenmselves for their own benefit.
do bacteria know that it need rotor and stator in the engine?
and if it know how could it produce it?

you atheist cant answer these questions, you allways say it is evolution, that is it end of the story.

Can I ask why you continue saying this when it's been explained to you several posts back? Are you incapable of understanding, or just lying in the hopes that it makes your argument more credible?

but you dont understand what i say to you, i explain to you clearly what is the problem adn you still cant answer my questions.

Because there's no evidence for your god,

i have both non-relgious and relgious evidence for existence of God.
tell me somthing who could know in 6th century about big bang and expansion of universe in arabian desert when there was no modern techonology? who?

but plenty of evidence for evolution.

absolutly not true, i have not seen anything.

And you can keep making this comparison to puzzles and engines all you want, but that doesn't follow that the comparison is apt; it's not. You're basing your arguments on fundamentally flawed logic not based on evidence because it feels correct to you

but you have not explained to me how non-thinking nature can crate complex stucture like natural engine. you fail over and over again.

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this is how atheism teach you how to behave towards people

Typical to take refuge in a supposed "moral high ground" by pointing fingers, you obviously dont have an argument.


Now can you explain how the universe is supposedly "fine tuned" when it clearly isnt.

so you think muslims did that???

watch this then




and if muslims really did it, then islam condemn them and muslims also, how could muslims do it when islam forbids killing innocent people.

[Joel]

Stop making arguments using quran verses. This thread is based on non-religous evidence - started by you.