Proving God Existence

[Severan]

Your god tells you to accept his existence through a book, and your ancestors; he also tells you to not ask questions. How can you know for sure that he exists? Also, I could make up any god and make it fit the description of your proof.

[downbeatplumb]

1:The chances of he universe existing 100%
We know this because we are in it.

2:The universe contains everything that exists.

Can you prove that?

3:God is said to exist outside the universe.

Contradiction with 2

4: therefore god does not exist: see 2

I have proved conclusively that there is no god.
No-one can refute my proofs.
I need not supply evidence for my proofs are just so god damn good.

Your proof proves that you don't know anything about proofs.

HA HA I WIN.

Your gift is a place in Hell

You don't understand humour do you!

I was taking the piss out of you my love.

[Muslim Scholar]

You don't understand humour do you!

I was taking the piss out of you my love.

Hell is not funny
I don't get pissed out, I feel sad for you
It is exactly like the relation between Doctors and patients
Doctors don't hate patients, they hat diseases affecting patients, and they wish to cure them.


Atheism is a disease, (and it will kill you), but you don't realize

[Dragonetti]

You don't understand humour do you!

I was taking the piss out of you my love.

Hell is not funny
I don't get pissed out, I feel sad for you
It is exactly like the relation between Doctors and patients
Doctors don't hate patients, they hat diseases affecting patients, and they wish to cure them.


Atheism is a disease, (and it will kill you), but you don't realize

Kill How?

You know what! Stop using all scientific devices. Please, just throw your computer away. Stop using filtered water, stop eating the food not grown/killed by you. Stop using phones. Just stop using anything with Science or with Technology.

Go back to cave!

And follow that good book to the letter. But, since it has so many contradictions, you probably already broke a few laws.

[Muslim Scholar]

Your god tells you to accept his existence through a book, and your ancestors;

No, in Islam we accept Quran because it has many proofs inside it to show that it is from God
We don't follow our ancestors!

he also tells you to not ask questions.

On the contrary, islam promotes & invented the scientific research for the modern ear

How can you know for sure that he exists?

I gave you a proof that no one was able to refute!

Also, I could make up any god and make it fit the description of your proof.

You mean to name it differently, Yes
I just proved a Model of God not his name
the second part (which I'll write) is to prove Islam itself.

Stay tuned

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oh, FFS...
time, time is not on your side!!!

-If time has a start, you cannot say anything about causation prior to time's existence. Cause and effect requires time... your G=0 is the best answer.... instead, since you want G to be non-zero, you try to define another kind of time, name it p, and say it attests for the dynamic nature of G... what does dynamic mean, here? -.-'

-If time doesn't have a start, then your proof crumbles away.

It all stems from your faulty definition of time as a series of finite events...

There, your "proof" is refuted. enjoy.

I think the proof needs an update (for idiots only)
The proof is talking about events not time (We actually don't know exactly what is time)
So I proved that events had a start (first event)

That first event must have a starter (which is beyond and outside the universe)
It is that simple, don't confuse yourself with time or cause and effect.

[Dragonetti]

Your god tells you to accept his existence through a book, and your ancestors;

No, in Islam we accept Quran because it has many proofs inside it to show that it is from God
We don't follow our ancestors!

he also tells you to not ask questions.

On the contrary, islam promotes & invented the scientific research for the modern ear

How can you know for sure that he exists?

I gave you a proof that no one was able to refute!

Also, I could make up any god and make it fit the description of your proof.

You mean to name it differently, Yes
I just proved a Model of God not his name
the second part (which I'll write) is to prove Islam itself.

Stay tuned

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oh, FFS...
time, time is not on your side!!!

-If time has a start, you cannot say anything about causation prior to time's existence. Cause and effect requires time... your G=0 is the best answer.... instead, since you want G to be non-zero, you try to define another kind of time, name it p, and say it attests for the dynamic nature of G... what does dynamic mean, here? -.-'

-If time doesn't have a start, then your proof crumbles away.

It all stems from your faulty definition of time as a series of finite events...

There, your "proof" is refuted. enjoy.

I think the proof needs an update (for idiots only)
The proof is talking about events not time (We actually don't know exactly what is time)
So I proved that events had a start (first event)

That first event must have a starter (which is beyond and outside the universe)
It is that simple, don't confuse yourself with time or cause and effect.

WTF! That does not make any sense at all!

Time is relative to the space you occupy. Please leave science to the professionals.

Also, in Quantum fluctuation. Something from nothing has been proven. You do not need a starter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Energy!

[Muslim Scholar]

Time is relative to the space you occupy. Please leave science to the professionals.

Forget about time, it is just events

Also, in Quantum fluctuation. Something from nothing has been proven. You do not need a starter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Energy!

I proved otherwise with logic not science
If you want to prove me wrong you need to use logic not science
As Logic is much stronger than science
So my proof proves science wrong!!!!!!!

[pocaracas]

Back to basics, I guess...
Please define "event".

[Dragonetti]

Time is relative to the space you occupy. Please leave science to the professionals.

Forget about time, it is just events

Also, in Quantum fluctuation. Something from nothing has been proven. You do not need a starter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Energy!

I proved otherwise with logic not science
If you want to prove me wrong you need to use logic not science
As Logic is much stronger than science
So my proof proves science wrong!!!!!!!

I beg to differ. Science proves your logic is flawed. You are the one wrong. Logic is not stronger than science. Science is the study, and math is the language.

Who stated Logic supersedes Science?

Please publish this magnificent paper proving the people wrong!

[Love]

Your gift is a place in Hell

Hell does not exist. Also, I think it is very harsh of you to state "you are going to be tortured forever (and you deserve it)" just because somebody disagrees with you. Threatening people with "hell" is just going to be ridiculed, especially on a forum promoting atheism.

I believe that the genuine, great religious teachers (not the charlatans) — who were attempting to make sense of their mystical experiences — were ultimately experiencing the same panentheistic transcendent entity, what I perceive as God. All of the major world religious teachings are human inventions, and I firmly believe they're all false. God is not a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist or a Jew.

May I ask how long you have been a Muslim? If you were heavily indoctrinated by your parents (or parent), then I can understand your strong position of faith in the Qur'an. The reality is, however, is that the Qur'an, like The Bible, is a BOOK, nothing more. All holy books were written by human beings, using human language and are no more historically valid than any work of fiction.