Is psychiatry evil?

[The Grand Nudger]

lol.. I like your subjective reasoning. What denotes "functioning in society"? This is pure relativistic thinking.

Of course it is. How else would psychiatry be practical or efficacious if it could not achieve a relative and subjective goal in line with the relative and subjective expectations of human society and the relative and subjective experience of the patient?

The world would be better off without psychiatry. just admit it, and be done. The world should admit it.

Most people wouldn't notice a difference. We all fall fairly close to the mean (no matter how unique we imagine ourselves to be..lol). For others, society would be a hostile and completely unfriendly environment. Perhaps we'd just insist that people were "possessed" and fucking burn them alive.....you know, the good 'ole days.

[rexbeccarox]

Does anyone else have Chris Farley come to mind while reading the OP's posts?

OP, cite one source... just one... that backs up your assertions.

And Dr. Phil??? Seriously???

*Becca shakes her damn head*

[dazzn]

lol.. I like your subjective reasoning. What denotes "functioning in society"? This is pure relativistic thinking.

Of course it is. How else would psychiatry be practical or efficacious if it could not achieve a relative and subjective goal in line with the relative and subjective expectations of human society and the relative and subjective experience of the patient?

The world would be better off without psychiatry. just admit it, and be done. The world should admit it.

Most people wouldn't notice a difference. We all fall fairly close to the mean (no matter how unique we imagine ourselves to be..lol). For others, society would be a hostile and completely unfriendly environment. Perhaps we'd just insist that people were "possessed" and fucking burn them alive.....you know, the good 'ole days.

Life is harsh. This is what modern society states, is it not? That my interpretation of that phrase differs from modern society's.

[Angrboda]

Since the bulk of your posts about psychiatry are either a bare assertion or an example of the fallacy of appeal to an unattainable perfection, I'm not inclined to care much. You asked why doctors push meditation if not for the purpose of pushing an agenda that is sympathetic to Eastern philosophies. I presented a reason, and your response was to acknowledge it, but indicate that you still believe it's a conspiracy anyway. (Fomented upon all of medicine by those whacky Californians!) This kind of moronic reasoning deserves nothing but derision.

Prepare to be psychologized into submission by your yellow overlords!

[dazzn]

Does anyone else have Chris Farley come to mind while reading the OP's posts?

OP, cite one source... just one... that backs up your assertions.

And Dr. Phil??? Seriously???

*Becca shakes her damn head*

Yes, Dr. Phil. Why do most psychologists despise him?

Does it make sense to have somebody of a profession who says unrepresentative things? That's called bringing an industry into disrepute. Most of those who "hate" Dr. Phil say his practice is "simplistic". Yeah, and these people don't exist to make people better, but no they adhere to some idiotic belief that suffering is good lol...

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Since the bulk of your posts about psychiatry are either a bare assertion or an example of the fallacy of appeal to an unattainable perfection, I'm not inclined to care much. You asked why doctors push meditation if not for the purpose of pushing an agenda that is sympathetic to Eastern philosophies. I presented a reason, and your response was to acknowledge it, but indicate that you still believe it's a conspiracy anyway. This kind of moronic reasoning deserves nothing but derision.

Prepare to be psychologized into submission by your yellow overlords!

It depends. Can you prove there is no conspiratorial agenda? I sense that there is, and generally my intuition is highly accurate.

[catfish]

I'm down with ODD (yeah you know me).

[Shell B]

It has a 100 year history of helping people with mental disorders verified by uncountable studies?

No, no it doesn't. 50 years at best.

Bullshit. More than a century, easily. In fact, the word for it is more than 200 years old. Clinical psychology, which is essentially psychiatry began thriving around Freud.

[Angrboda]

(Note: This relates to the history of psychiatry in general, not to CapnAwesome's specific claim.)

In 1621, Oxford University mathematician, astrologer, and scholar Robert Burton published the English language The Anatomy of Melancholy, What it is: With all the Kinds, Causes, Symptomes, Prognostickes, and Several Cures of it. In Three Maine Partitions with their several Sections, Members, and Subsections. Philosophically, Medicinally, Historically, Opened and Cut Up. Burton wrote "I write of melancholy, by being busy to avoid melancholy. There is no greater cause of melancholy than idleness, no better cure than business." Unlike English philosopher of science Francis Bacon, Burton assumes that knowledge of the mind, not natural science, is humankind's greatest need.

In 1656, Louis XIV of France created a public system of hospitals for those suffering from mental disorders, but as in England, no real treatment was applied. In 1713 the Bethel Hospital Norwich was opened, the first purpose-built asylum in England, founded by Mary Chapman. In 1758 English physician William Battie wrote his Treatise on Madness which called for treatments to be utilized in asylums. Thirty years later, then ruling monarch in England George III was known to be suffering from a mental disorder. Following the King's remission in 1789, mental illness came to be seen as something which could be treated and cured. The French doctor Philippe Pinel introduced humane treatment approaches to those suffering from mental disorders. As a result of his work, the Governor of the Bicêtre psychiatric hospital in Paris released psychiatric patients from their chains in 1793, beginning what has been called the bright epoch of psychiatry. At the York Retreat, a Quaker-run asylum in England which opened in 1796, a form of moral treatment evolved independently from Pinel under the lay stewardship of the tea and coffee merchant William Tuke.:84-85 :30 :53 Tuke's Retreat became a model throughout the world for humane and moral treatment of patients suffering from mental disorders. The York Retreat inspired similar institutions in the United States, most notably the Brattleboro Retreat and the Hartford Retreat (now the Institute of Living).

[Tiberius]

I love that dazzn has spent several pages making wild claims without sourcing them or otherwise backing them up, and instead resorts to the age-old piss-poor debate tactic of saying "prove what I say doesn't happen".

No. Burden of proof. Go read about it. Your claims, your responsibility to present a proof. When you've done that, then it's up to your opponents to prove you wrong (or accept your claims as valid), but only then.

[rexbeccarox]

Does anyone else have Chris Farley come to mind while reading the OP's posts?

OP, cite one source... just one... that backs up your assertions.

And Dr. Phil??? Seriously???

*Becca shakes her damn head*

Yes, Dr. Phil. Why do most psychologists despise him?

Does it make sense to have somebody of a profession who says unrepresentative things? That's called bringing an industry into disrepute. Most of those who "hate" Dr. Phil say his practice is "simplistic". Yeah, and these people don't exist to make people better, but no they adhere to some idiotic belief that suffering is good lol...

... and still no citations, and still lots of quotation marks in odd places.

BTW- I dislike Dr. Phil because he's exploitative, which is counter-productive to good psychiatry, IMO.